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Re: emacs -nw hangs on redirect

From: David Kastrup
Subject: Re: emacs -nw hangs on redirect
Date: 05 Nov 2003 02:44:52 +0100
User-agent: Gnus/5.09 (Gnus v5.9.0) Emacs/21.3.50

Richard Stallman <address@hidden> writes:

>     I'm running emacs 21.2.1 on a linux ix86.
> If it is capable of running Emacs, it must have more than just Linux
> on it.  Linux is a kernel, and a kernel alone is not capable of
> running programs like Emacs.  You must have the GNU/Linux operating
> system installed.

Actually, if I remember correctly, there are non-GNU environments for
Linux available too (certainly for some embedded systems, and I think
there was even a proof-of-concept BSD flavor system with a Linux
kernel).  But it would appear unlikely that he was using one of those.

> When you call the entire system "Linux", you give the system's
> principal developers none of the credit.

I would not go as far as to claim the kernel and system utility
developers are not also principal developers of the system.  And I
don't think that he was intending to give _anybody_ credit just by
trying to specify his system.  When somebody calls me just by my given
name, I don't assume that he is trying to give credit to the father of
Solomon for me, but denying my parents appreciation.

> And yet here you are asking us to help you out.  Please start
> treating us right.

If you talk for yourself, the proper pronoun to use here is "me".  He
was writing to an Emacs developer list, and I find it somewhat out of
balance to call all Emacs developers principal developers of GNU/Linux
systems while denying the kernel developers that title.

> (See http://www.gnu.org/gnu/gnu-linux-faq.html for more
> explanation.)

Quite so.  There is really not much point in repeating here what is
already available for perusal elsewhere and in a better reviewed (and
thus probably less misconstruable) form than what one can come up with
in a moment oneself.

David Kastrup, Kriemhildstr. 15, 44793 Bochum

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