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bug#1305: Please disable the audible bell by default, to avoid discourag
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Stefan Monnier |
Subject: |
bug#1305: Please disable the audible bell by default, to avoid discouraging newbies in crowded offices and elsewhere |
Date: |
Fri, 07 Nov 2008 09:54:02 -0500 |
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Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.0.60 (gnu/linux) |
>> By default, Emacs makes an audible beep every time the user makes an
>> error. It would be great if you could please change the default either:
>> 1. To not make any audible or visible bell when the user makes an
>> error. (This would be best.)
> Many other GUI applications beep under some circumstances that need
> user attention.
Actually, in my experience it's very rare for "modern" GUI applications
to beep.
>> B. Most apps beep only when something very bad happens. But Emacs
>> beeps even upon minor mistakes like scrolling past end of buffer, or
>> pressing an unassigned key. It even beeps on non-mistakes like
>> pressing C-g. The amount of beeping may make users uncomfortable.
> Maybe we should simply revisit the places where we bitch-at-user, and
> remove the beep from some of them.
> But I don't see anything bad in beeping under extreme circumstances,
> and don't support disabling it entirely.
I agree on the principle to beep in extreme circumstances, but since
these are rare (by definition of "extreme"), we should probably attack
from the other side: use the visible-bell by default, and add a new
function that does an actual beep (additionally to the visual bell) and
then try and find the few places where it's warranted.
>> You might say, "But if not for the beep, users won't notice errors".
>> No. They will notice. Human eyes notice significant onscreen changes
>> (perhaps 3 words or more) easily.
> The problem is, without the beep, the screen sometimes does not change
> at all. And that is BAD, from the HE point of view, at least IMO.
That sounds like a bug to me. In which circumstances does the
visible-bell fail to work?
Stefan
bug#1305: Please disable the audible bell by default, to avoid discouraging newbies in crowded offices and elsewhere, Dan Nicolaescu, 2008/11/06
bug#1305: Please disable the audible bell by default, to avoid discouraging newbies in crowded offices and elsewhere, Eli Zaretskii, 2008/11/07
- bug#1305: Please disable the audible bell by default, to avoid discouraging newbies in crowded offices and elsewhere,
Stefan Monnier <=