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bug#12787: Re: bug#12787: Toolbar regression from Emacs 23 to Emacs24 --
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Drew Adams |
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bug#12787: Re: bug#12787: Toolbar regression from Emacs 23 to Emacs24 -- Save As and Help no longer available |
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Fri, 2 Nov 2012 13:21:04 -0700 |
> > I've been using Emacs extensively for seven years now
> > and still find uses for the tool-bar. "Save As" is for
> > me exceptionally useful.
>
> Well, those "real" users are those who decided to code the tool bar
> and the menu bar, and to have it by default in Emacs. So I think this
> is misdirected.
Tossing some tool-bar icons because the tool bar had become too crowded was a
quick workaround, but not a real solution.
Ultimately, what tool-bar entries to include should be a user choice (and it
should be easy to choose/configure). Some common GUIs do this:
1. Let users choose the size of the icons used (e.g. small, medium, large).
2. Let users choose (easily) which tool-bar entries to show, including for
different contexts (i.e., modes, for Emacs).
When I look for the user options available for customizing the tool bar, I find
only these: `tool-bar-max-label-size' and `tool-bar-style'. And the latter
option affects only the GTK+ toolkit (even though the option is available in
non-GTK+ Emacs versions, for some reason).
I don't use the tool bar, and I imagine that few of those who might be able to
contribute to improving it actually use it. That might explain the primitive
state, but not a satisfactory answer for a user who expects the kind of
flexibility s?he sees in other apps.
- bug#12787: Toolbar regression from Emacs 23 to Emacs 24 -- Save As and Help no longer available, jxa127, 2012/11/02
- bug#12787: Toolbar regression from Emacs 23 to Emacs 24 -- Save As and Help no longer available, Glenn Morris, 2012/11/02
- bug#12787: Re: bug#12787: Toolbar regression from Emacs 23 to Emacs 24 -- Save As and Help no longer available, jxa127, 2012/11/02
- bug#12787: Toolbar regression from Emacs 23 to Emacs 24 -- Save As and Help no longer available, Glenn Morris, 2012/11/02
- bug#12787: Re: bug#12787: Toolbar regression from Emacs 23 to Emacs 24 -- Save As and Help no longer available, jxa127, 2012/11/02
- bug#12787: Re: bug#12787: Re: bug#12787: Toolbar regression from Emacs 23 to Emacs 24 -- Save As and Help no longer available, jxa127, 2012/11/02
- bug#12787: RE: bug#12787: Re: bug#12787: Toolbar regression from Emacs 23 to Emacs24 -- Save As and Help no longer available, jxa127, 2012/11/02
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