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bug#16750: Feedback on the manual


From: Personal
Subject: bug#16750: Feedback on the manual
Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2014 07:24:20 +0530

I still can't think of a scenario where one would want to keep jumping. But yes people would.. Whenever I begin learning something, I sort of want to learn it end-end and these type of manuals put me off.. I still tried to learn it somehow and started with a YouTube video and yep that helped much.. once I have some basic idea, I guess I can re-visit the manual and see if that helps.. I am good enough to do some basic tasks using emacs.. I guess I am where I wanted to begin with.. will see how this goes.. 

And yes, you can't satisfy everyone. You need not, as well.. But still there should be people who might feel the same way as me.. and as long as you care.. one quick suggestion would be to release a short user guide (different from manual) with enough pictures and no hyperlinks which will help people quickly to begin with, and later proceed with the manual in place.. 

Regarding the 'C-h t' part.. yes the YouTube video taught me where and how I need to issue that command..

I don't want this to be an argument on who's right.. but as long as you're ready to lend ears to some suggestions, I would once again like to quote the picture thing.. window, buffer or whatever terminology you try to explain there with alphanumeric, try with a picture instead. That will serve the purpose..

Once again.. I really really appreciate your efforts.. though I have some concerns, you have did a great job there and I appreciate it.. regarding volunteering, not sure how long it takes for me to master emacs, but when I do.. I would definitely contribute in ways I can..

Thanks for hearing. Thanks for replying back.. :)


Hugs Blackberry
From: Jay Belanger
Sent: Monday 17 February 2014 2:44 AM
To: Gokul Kannan
Reply To: jay.p.belanger@gmail.com
Cc: Eli Zaretskii; 16750@debbugs.gnu.org; jay.p.belanger@gmail.com
Subject: Re: bug#16750: Feedback on the manual


> //I tried not to follow the endless hyperlinks, but it just spoils the
> reading experience.
>
> Who would want to jump to advanced, when you have not even explained
> the basics yet..

I might, in some situations. Others might not. It's good to offer the
choice.

> Majority of people wouldn't be interested to read like this.. read
> page number 10 -- then jump to 200.. then come back to 11.. go till
> 20.. then jump to 989..

The majority of people wouldn't need to. The links are for those that
want the extra information. The choices seem to be:
* Put all of the information up front.
This could be offputting for those that don't want the advanced
information right away.
* Don't let the users know where to get more advanced information.
Why keep it a secret?
* Provide the basic information, and link to more information for
those who want it.
It seems like a good choice to me, but you can't please everyone.

> If you feel the details at 989 is very much needed to what you have
> explained at 20, then it should be page number 21 and not 989..

And if you think that the details at 989 aren't very much needed, but
want to let people who might be interested know where to get it right
away, a link sounds like a good idea.

> Finally, I would like to get my hands on emacs.. But couldn't find a
> proper guide yet.. Guide me with some hyperlinks/articles on emacs for
> beginners that you're aware of..

When you start Emacs, you are given a message:
"For information about GNU Emacs and the GNU system, type C-h C-a."
Typing C-hC-a leads you to hyperlinks/articles on using Emacs (and other
information, too). It's possible that someone doesn't know what
"C-hC-a" means (it's explained in the tutorial), but there is a Help
menu, whose first menu item is the Emacs tutorial.


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