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bug#25548: 25.1; Wrong Emacs version for Emacs 25.1.2 (?)
From: |
Drew Adams |
Subject: |
bug#25548: 25.1; Wrong Emacs version for Emacs 25.1.2 (?) |
Date: |
Fri, 27 Jan 2017 07:40:41 -0800 (PST) |
> > > It's 25.1-2, that is a second release of version 25.1. The first one
> > > was compiled without optimization.
> > > https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-devel/2016-11/msg00293.html
> >
> > Sorry, but I still don't understand. What's the difference between
> > 25.1-2 and 25.1.2?
>
> They are builds of the same codebase with different compiler options.
Really? And just where is build 25.1.2 (that's a 2, not a 1)?
Does it exist somewhere? I have 25.1-2, but you say that 25.1.2
has different compiler options from 25.1-2.
> > Do both 25.1-1 (whatever/wherever that is) and 25.1-2 correspond to
> > 25.1.1?
>
> They both correspond to 25.1. There's no 25.1.1 release; 25.1.1 is
> build #1 of the 25.1 release.
So presumably 25.1.2 should be build #2 of 25.1. Where is 25.1.2?
Why 25.1-2 instead of 25.1.2?
> > Where does a user see the version number 25.1-2 (or whatever kind of
> > number it is, if it is not a version number)?
>
> It's not a version number. It's a name of the zip file, and was give
> "-2" to distinguish it from the original upload.
You just said it is also the build number - build #2 of 25.1.
> > How, from Emacs itself, does a user tell the difference between
> > 25.1-1 and 25.1-2?
>
> The value of system-configuration-options should be different.
Show does a user or Lisp code see those options from _within_
Emacs? Where is that information given to users?
> > These were the zip files downloaded, respectively:
> >
> > emacs-25.1-x86_64-mingw32.zip
> > emacs-25.1-2-x86_64-w64-mingw32.zip
> >
> > What does a user (or code) look for within Emacs, to tell the
> > difference?
>
> See above.
See above. _Within_ Emacs. We have Lisp functions to
determine versions, but builds? What are the functions
for that?
> > And are these releases? Release candidates? Pretest builds?
>
> These are releases. Pretests have a 4-field versions, like
> 25.1.91.2. Release candidates have "RC" in the name of the
> zip file.
You said these are builds of the same release, _not_ releases.
You said, I think, that 25.1-2 and 25.1.2 are the same thing,
and they are the second build of release 25.1.
> > How to know?
>
> See the node "Version Info" in the ELisp manual.
The only thing there (that I can see) that remotely refers
to something like "25.1.2" is the undescribed, unexplained
_output_ of `(emacs-version)':
"GNU Emacs 24.5.1 (x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version 3.16)
^^^^^^
of 2015-06-01"
Where in that node is a description of what "25.1.2" or
"25.1-2" means - e.g., that it means build #2 of release 25.1?
> > Is all this supposed to be clear to users?
>
> This information is not necessarily of importance for users. It is
> important in bug reports, which is why report-emacs-bug includes it.
> But inquisitive users can find the information in the Emacs manuals.
I haven't seen where. I see such a label in passing, in the
output of `emacs-version', but it is unexplained, AFAICT.
> > At the mirrors where you download these things there is no
> > description/explanation. (They don't even tell you what the
> > difference is between zips x86 and i86.)
>
> The explanations you are looking for are in the README file that is
> right near the zip archives.
I don't think so. That README is similar to (but also different
from) the README.W32 that is included in the zip file. AFAICT,
neither file describes the 25.1-2 (or whatever other number)
that appears in the zip-file name. Searching for "zip" in each
of those readme files does not find anything that talks about this.
> > I realize that building and uploading Emacs for Windows is a volunteer
> > effort, and I'm grateful for it. But can we perhaps make the zip naming
> > clearer?
>
> Did you read the README file?
I've read them both, and searched them for "zip". Have you taken
a look yourself, in light of the question of this bug report?
Can you point me to the passage that explains the 25.1-2 in the
zip name, which I've not been able to find? Thx.
Another question is why we have two different designations
for build 2 of release 25.1: "25.1.2" and "25.1-2". I think
you said that those represent the same thing. If so, why
use two different representations, Occam wonders? And if
not, what is the difference between them?
- bug#25548: 25.1; Wrong Emacs version for Emacs 25.1.2 (?), Drew Adams, 2017/01/26
- bug#25548: 25.1; Wrong Emacs version for Emacs 25.1.2 (?), Noam Postavsky, 2017/01/26
- bug#25548: 25.1; Wrong Emacs version for Emacs 25.1.2 (?), Drew Adams, 2017/01/26
- bug#25548: 25.1; Wrong Emacs version for Emacs 25.1.2 (?), npostavs, 2017/01/26
- bug#25548: 25.1; Wrong Emacs version for Emacs 25.1.2 (?), Eli Zaretskii, 2017/01/27
- bug#25548: 25.1; Wrong Emacs version for Emacs 25.1.2 (?),
Drew Adams <=
- bug#25548: 25.1; Wrong Emacs version for Emacs 25.1.2 (?), Eli Zaretskii, 2017/01/27
- bug#25548: 25.1; Wrong Emacs version for Emacs 25.1.2 (?), Drew Adams, 2017/01/27
- bug#25548: 25.1; Wrong Emacs version for Emacs 25.1.2 (?), Noam Postavsky, 2017/01/27
- bug#25548: 25.1; Wrong Emacs version for Emacs 25.1.2 (?), Drew Adams, 2017/01/27
- bug#25548: 25.1; Wrong Emacs version for Emacs 25.1.2 (?), Eli Zaretskii, 2017/01/27