Re: [Bug-gnuzilla] [Slackbuilds-users] icecat 38.8.0 crashes

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I get what you mean, but alot of people out there aren't necessarily idiots, but rather they don't have a specialty in technology.  many people rather have a simple firefox/icecat browser that just comes with the evil things removed and some good things added to protect them so that they have to do the minimal amount of set up to just get it working.

if it doesn't "just werk" many people just throw it right in the trash and go to an easier option. what's so great about icecat is that it IS that easier option and it's also better for security than a normal firefox browser. take away the benefit to using it and it's just some boring browser that does nothing special at all.



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18. Aug 2016 15:16 by address@hidden:

> I don't understand what exactly is "filthy" about a deblobbed mozilla browser. 
> One reason it may be preferable to icecat is that it would track the upstream 
> releases more closely, and we wouldn't have to sit on disclosed critical 
> vulnerabilities for weeks or months. Moreover, anyone could still install 
> gnuzilla addons, if they so desire, and get a similar functionality. I do not 
> /really/ think this is preferable to icecat, but I would definitely consider 
> both options carefully, and it's just nice to have options.
>
> (By the way, there should probably be a way to download spyblock, but I don't 
> see it in the list of addons.)
>
> You know what's filthy? The internet is filthy. I understand the desire of 
> gnuzilla project to protect users from non-free software, but a line has to be 
> drawn somewhere. Kicking the non-free addon repo to the curb is a good thing, 
> ans so is the default search engine choice. But one has to realize that at the 
> end of the day a web browser is for accessing the web, and there is a 
> looooooot of non-free software out there, and it's all accessible via a single 
> web search, regardless of the engine. Should gnuzilla filter skype out of voip 
> web searches? At some point we just have to trust the user to understand 
> free/non-free software situation and not to be an idiot. icecat drew the line 
> where it did, and a minimally deblobbed browser would draw it a few feet over, 
> giving another viable option to users.
>
> I really hope though that the icecat development will become more streamlined 
> in the future, with more prompt releases, and we won't even have to discuss 
> this issue.
>
> On Thursday, August 18, 2016 18:50:14 address@hidden wrote:
> > sounds really nice, but why would we want to pass along such strongly
> > minimalistic "un-de-freedomed" browsers along to the normal people
> > specifically without added security features? this basically lands them
> > back right where they started since they are immediately washed clean and
> > then re-exposed to the filth of the world again. we have to help them but
> > "here don't go alone, take this!" without security- without defense there
> > is nothing worth defending.
> >
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> > 17. Aug 2016 04:35 by address@hidden:
> > > Hello,
> > > 
> > > On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 11:05:28AM -0700, Ivan Zaigralin wrote:
> > >> Finally, I believe there is a niche opening up for a firefox-based
> > >> browser
> > >> which is libre and meets free software distrubution guidelines like
> > >> icecat,
> > >> but has no extra privacy features, and passes all the mozilla pearls onto
> > >> the users. Such minimal deblobbing could be potentially more robust:
> > >> that is, new releases could be churned out as quickly and reliably as
> > >> linux-libre. Looking at Parabola's thunderbird & seamonkey builds, I
> > >> imagine something like that could be done for firefox as well. Anyone
> > >> can step in and claim the glory for this one :) I don't have time to
> > >> write a slackbuild like that and run it by FSF, but if anyone did it, I
> > >> think I would actually switch.
> > > 
> > > Parabola GNU/linux and ConnochaetOS have such a liberated mozilla based
> > > Browser based an Debian's Iceweasel. Parabola's Iceweasel is based on
> > > current Firefox, ConnochaetOS uses LTS.
> > > 
> > > https://www.parabola.nu/packages/libre/i686/iceweasel
> > > 
> > > https://connochaetos.org/slack-n-free/slack-n-free-14.2/xap/iceweasel-45.3
> > > .0-i486-1_libre.txz
> > > https://connochaetos.org/slack-n-free/source/src/iceweasel
> > > https://connochaetos.org/slack-n-free/source/dist/slack-n-free-14.2/icewea
> > > sel/iceweasel.SlackBuild
> > > 
> > > Regards,
> > > 
> > > Henry
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
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