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Re: Hurd on Scheme/guile
From: |
Leonardo Lopes Pereira |
Subject: |
Re: Hurd on Scheme/guile |
Date: |
Fri, 30 Dec 2005 09:03:47 -0300 |
Em Fri, 30 Dec 2005 06:00:23 +0100
pancake <sergipop@mx3.redestb.es> escreveu:
> On Thu, Dec 29, 2005 at 08:52:08PM -0300, Leonardo Lopes Pereira wrote:
> > After that movement to revive/improve GNU Mach, I decided to think in a
> > way to improve Hurd. After some talks on IRC I thought that a good start
> > point would be the use of a new programming language to the detriment of C,
> > something that turn translator code clear and that is powerful.
> > I think that nothing better than lisp to fill those requirements.
> > Looking for GNU projects to implement LISP, I decide that the modularity
> > and the small size of Guile would simplify and turn that new Hurd
> > implementation even better.
>
> The GNU manifest talks about this. It's like a prophecy. :P
I know that GNU manifesto talk about that, but this is not the most important
thing IMHO. ;)
> We discussed this in the Bee project, resulting the creation of the "stut".
> (a sotware packaging manager that frontends stow and manages binary pkgsrc
> packages).
good :)
> > I do not want to describe everything on this mail, so if you have a
> > question, a sugestion or a criticism, fell free to send a answer ;)
> >
>
> Jemarch does that some time ago, AFAIK he started implementing a trivfs
> wrapper for the GNU/Guile.
>
I never read anything about that project, but what I wanna do is not only
create wrappers to hurd libraries, but redesign them in Scheme/Guile. To turn
them simpler and beaulty.
>
> BTW, in Bee we're planning to use guile for the base system to use DMD and
> Stut.
>
This massive use of guile can generate another good point, that is the
improvement of guile :)
> > The first point that I wanna expose is that the goal of this project is
> > not only complement the current translator interface, but create a new
> > interface that turns possible a complete rewrite of Hurd on Scheme.
>
> Stut will use the unionfs and it's planned to also use the trivfs for package
> query "virtualization".
>
> > So It cannot be done only creating bindings of hurd libraries, it
> > requests the creation of a new framework to create translators. Only that
> > way we will be able to have a simply and powerful framework.
> > To minimize the efects of the lost of performance caused by the use of
> > an interpreter, we will need to use guile-lightning (based on GNU
> > lightning), making the translator be compiled at runtime, so, the lost of
> > performance will be concentrated on the time of turning the translator up.
> >
>
> This makes a weighter process and a hard bootup. It depends on the translator
> task.
>
Sorry, I didn't get the relation between my texts and your text.
> > *A small roadmap
> > - Turn possible the creation of Mach Interfaces in Scheme
> > - Create a MiG that generates Guile code instead of C.
>
> Would be better to fix the actual MiG. He needs more love.
I don't think so, the actual MiG only generate C code, I want something that
generate Scheme/Guile code. Anyway, I think that using guile, we will not need
to use a MiG. The manual generation of interfaces will be very simple.
> > - Create a trivfs module
>
> This is partially done.
There is a trivfs wrapper, not a trivfs module :)
>
> > - Discuss how others modules would be and improve trivfs module
>
> This would be a nice task. Scheme is a nice language and the GNU system needs
> something good like this :)
>
> > - Rewrite hurd ;)
> >
> > Thanks AMS for some explanations
> > That's all.
> >
> >
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