Re: [Denemo-devel] Menu system tidy up.

[Richard Shann]

On Mon, 2009-01-05 at 22:26 +0100, Nils Gey wrote:
> Even though I got used to the old menus I think its much cleaner now. The 
> from big to small is a good concept.
> 
> I am still confused by "Other commands" and "My Commands".
Other commands???
there is More Commands: it is commands that have been shipped with the
release but are not in the menu system, or have been deleted from it by
the user (only scripted commands at the moment :-().
My Commands is commands that you have created - e.g. by editing one
already there. One of the improvements I decided on overnight (sleeping
on yesterday's work) is to use the "My ..." consistently for this sort
of thing. The terminology "Custom ..." - although I prefer it (it is
less "twee", less modern, less Microsoft/Apple) - is less understood.
(Likewise, Toggle is not so well understood as (On/Off), hence those
changes). 
Along with these, in the 0.8.4 release I plan to have More Commands
optionally search denemo.org for newly released scripts.

>  Is it documented somewhere?
Right click on it. The first item says Help on xxx, where xxx is the
command name. (One of the improvements I recently did).
>  And why not integrate anything thats there into Denemo. 
A lot of things will be, in this release: it is a matter of creating
Default.cmdset to bring them in, which I still plan to do. And hiding
some of them (e.g. some of the ornaments) will be good once it is easier
to fetch them back - More Commands only works with scripts, not
built-ins at present.
> Even if its a "You will never need this"-menu 
I am looking to the future here: there are a few thousand basic pieces
of LilyPond syntax plus all the compound things you could make with
them. That quantity of stuff is not suitable to put in a menu.
Even with the hierarchical system we will need to develop some
indexing/searching tools to find commands eventually.
> if would still be there without changing the menus first 
You are thinking of "changing the menus" as a big deal, and indeed it is
a bit clunky at the moment, but in principle doing 
"right-click, More Commands for this menu, select a command, Open, then
click on the new command"
could all be streamlined so that you right clicked on the menu itself
and it popped up a list of commands (local, system, internet, hidden)
which you could include in your regular left-click set.

In particular, at the moment,  when you have loaded a new menu item, you
are told about it with an information dialog, rather than having the
menu presented to you with the new item selected, ready for use.

But, patience, I think we have the making of something rather good here,
solving problems that have not been solved in other programs which share
features with this one.

Richard


> (If I got anything right)
> 
> 
> Nils
> 
> On Mon, 05 Jan 2009 21:04:34 +0000
> Richard Shann <address@hidden> wrote:
> 
> > As we are getting closer to the point where people might start
> > contributing scripts it seemed a good idea to tidy the menu system up,
> > especially with view to future developments.
> > The most visible change is dropping the Action Menu. The idea sounded
> > good - organizing by Action, but the hierarchy becomes an object
> > hierarchy after the top level (because we don't really have special
> > sorts of Insert or Delete or what have you), so it does not really serve
> > a good purpose.
> > In addition I have introduced a logical order to the main object menu,
> > starting from the grossest level on the left down to the smaller levels
> > further on, ending with the meta objects such as bookmarks and cursor.
> > Although this means that the most important thing, Notes, are no longer
> > in the first menu I think it is much better to arrange the menus in a
> > logical order. This is because they are mainly for looking things up.
> > Likewise, Tuplets and grace notes are now under notes & so on.
> > This does entail a bit more revision of the documents but as far as code
> > goes I think this should be it for the release.
> > 
> > Richard
> > 
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