Re: [Denemo-devel] tablature status (August 2012)

[Richard Shann]

On Tue, 2012-08-07 at 18:05 +0200, Federico Bruni wrote:
> Il 07/08/2012 17:34, Richard Shann ha scritto:
> > On Tue, 2012-08-07 at 13:09 +0200, Federico Bruni wrote:
> >> Hi Denemo developers,
> >>
> >> I wonder what's the status of tablature support in Denemo.
> >> Every now and then I try Denemo to check it but...as I've never used it,
> >> I'm not sure if I'm missing something.
> >>
> >> I'm using Denemo 0.9.2 on Debian testing.
> >> I can see that I can input the music in a Staff and choose TabStaff as
> >> output. The PDF will contain only the TabStaff.
> >> I don't know if this is a new feature or just the fact that I'm using
> >> the lilypond mode.
> > It's been in there for a while - 0.9.4 is pretty out of date - we have
> > 0.9.6 ready. It tells LilyPond do print the staff as tab. If you want
> > both the straightforward thing to do is to duplicate the staff I guess.
> > That would be a bit crude though - if you edited one the other would
> > need re-creating.
> 
> No, too crude :)
> 
> > With the upcoming release you could have a layout that printed the same
> > music on two staffs one as tab the other as normal staff notation. (This
> > is actually possible in 0.9.4 but you have to know LilyPond and create a
> > custom scoreblock to do it in the View->LilyPond window - the score
> > layout feature of 0.9.6 avoids you having to know the LilyPond to do
> > this).
> >
> 
> LilyPond is not a problem (actually I love LilyPond "interface" and I'm 
> trying some frontend only for teaching purposes, as LilyPond is too 
> geeky for most of people).
> 
> Good to know that 0.9.4 would support it somehow.
hmm, I see I gave the impression this was new in 0.9.4, but actually you
can do this sort of thing in versions going back much further. What is
new in 0.9.6 is that you can have several different score layouts kept
with your music, which don't need updating when you correct the music.
And you can create many sorts of layouts without getting geeky with
LilyPond.
> My problem now is that I cannot compile Denemo without breaking other 
> programs.
> I decided not to use 'apt-get build-dep denemo' because it wanted to 
> replace jack2 with jack. And I use some programs which depend on jack2: 
> ardour and stretchplayer, for example.
> So I tried installing dependencies one by one, following the warnings of 
> configure. And I had to stop when installing libfluidsynth-dev, because 
> again it wanted to replace jack2 with jack.
> 
> I'm stuck here.
> Unfortunately even Debian sid doesn't have 0.9.4 yet:

I think that is probably my fault for not alerting the Debian packager
about 0.9.4, partly because I knew 0.9.6 was coming hot on its heels. 
It sounds like this dependency problem is one between fluidsynth and
jack? Not one we can do anything about in Denemo? I wonder if we should
create a statically linked binary for GNU/Linux that people could try
out, or use until the distros catch up... As it stands, folk running
Windows are better off than those on GNU/Linux, which is bad for free
software.
If knowledgeable folk are listening in, please feel free to advise!

Richard


> http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=denemo&searchon=names&suite=all&section=all
> 
> >>
> >> Obviously I'm looking for the normal workflow, such as in Tuxguitar and
> >> in lilypond: you write the music in the Staff and you see the notes
> >> (well, the numbers) appearing automatically also in TabStaff.
> > If you are thinking about what you see as you enter the music (rather
> > than what is printed) then no, Denemo has no routines to display tab.
> 
> I see, I guessed it
> 
> > You would enter notes and Denemo would print the same notes on two
> > staffs one tab and one normal. Or you could have a layout where they
> > were printed out one after the other as separate pieces of music, if
> > that is what you wanted.
> 
> If 0.9.4 allows to enter music in one staff and make it appear in two 
> staves, it would be a good compromise. At least I could print 
> Staff+TabStaff, which is what I want.
> 
> Unfortunately I can't test it now.
> 
> > HTH
> > Richard
> >
> >> Is it possible in Denemo?
> >>
> >> Thanks
> >>
> >> PS Link to the old manual is broken:
> >> http://denemo.org/Manual
> >
> > hmm, where is the link? With the upcoming release you get tooltips
> > almost everywhere... and the possibility of translating Denemo.
> >
> >
> 
> I mean, this page doesn't work:
> http://old.denemo.org/doc/denemo-manual.html
> 
> Tooltips are a good solution, sometimes they can almost replace 
> Documentation.
> 
> Thanks!