Re: [Denemo-devel] Lyrics Font Control

[Richard Shann]

On Fri, 2014-08-22 at 01:41 -0700, Lee Nelson wrote:
> I wish I could find where it was located.  I remembered seeing I think
> in a discussion rather than in documentation, but my memory fails me.
> I searched for it earlier and couldn't find it.

Thanks - it does sound like a sort of programmer's terminology (mine)
rather than the users' point of view. I guess that without a lot more
work Denemo can't really insulate users from an awareness of LilyPond
once they move beyond simply typing in lyrics. I recall now that the
lyrics improvements were triggered by someone asking me for something to
insert the stanza numbers, and quoted lyrics (as in a folk song where
the singer quotes what the maiden said to the soldier).

Richard


> 
> 
> On Fri, Aug 22, 2014 at 1:38 AM, Richard Shann
> <address@hidden> wrote:
>         On Thu, 2014-08-21 at 15:20 -0700, Lee Nelson wrote:
>         > OK, so somewhere I missed the need to have whitespace before
>         the
>         > \override.
>         
>         
>         I suspect it may not be documented anywhere I'm afraid; I've
>         added font
>         and font size now to the lyrics menu, and mentioned about
>         white space in
>         the tooltip.
>         
>         >   Also, I had seen the expression
>         "skip-over-lilypond-syntax" used,
>         
>         
>         where was that? I could improve the wording ....
>         
>         Richard
>         
>         >  but I didn't understand what it meant or what the feature
>         does.  Now
>         > I do.  When I do as you suggested, I'm able to get exactly
>         what I was
>         > looking for.
>         >
>         >
>         > On Thu, Aug 21, 2014 at 2:39 AM, Richard Shann
>         > <address@hidden> wrote:
>         >         On Thu, 2014-08-21 at 02:29 -0700, Lee Nelson wrote:
>         >         > That's actually a variation of what I've been
>         doing, except
>         >         I edit the
>         >         > LilyPond and put the same types of commands in
>         front of
>         >         where the
>         >         > macros containing the verses are expanded in the
>         layout
>         >         section. When
>         >         > putting the font commands as you suggest in verses
>         >         themselves,
>         >         > everything typesets correctly but in Denemo those
>         commands
>         >         show up as
>         >         > lyrics pushing the legitimate lyrics ahead of
>         where they are
>         >         supposed
>         >         > to be.
>         >
>         >         Denemo skips over \override stuff when placing the
>         lyrics in
>         >         the display
>         >         - I can't get it to make a mistake like you describe
>         (the
>         >         backslash must
>         >         be preceded by whitespace, I put them on a separate
>         line as
>         >         you can now
>         >         re-size the lyric pane this is easiest.)
>         >         Can you send a sample file if your problem persists?
>         Or is it
>         >         just that
>         >         you didn't check with newer versions - (though I
>         thought the
>         >         skip-over-lilypond-syntax feature was there for
>         quite a while,
>         >         I can't
>         >         remember when I put it in ...)
>         >
>         >         BTW if you can use the latest sources (1.1.9) the
>         lyrics pane
>         >         resizes
>         >         after being hidden better.
>         >         Also, please do "Group Reply" as others may wish to
>         follow the
>         >         thread.
>         >         Thanks,
>         >         Richard
>         >
>         >
>         >         >
>         >         > On Aug 21, 2014 2:22 AM, "Richard Shann"
>         >         <address@hidden>
>         >         > wrote:
>         >         >         On Thu, 2014-08-21 at 01:04 -0700, Lee
>         Nelson wrote:
>         >         >         > My first time here....
>         >         >         >
>         >         >         >
>         >         >         > I was anxiously awaiting the feature to
>         control
>         >         fonts for
>         >         >         lyrics.  I
>         >         >         > downloaded 1.1.8 today but for the life
>         of me, I
>         >         can not
>         >         >         find where
>         >         >         > the option is located to control the
>         fonts for
>         >         lyrics.  I
>         >         >         see other
>         >         >         > new lyrics features, but not fonts.  Am
>         I missing
>         >         something
>         >         >         very
>         >         >         > obvious?
>         >         >
>         >         >         I just looked up the LilyPond
>         documentation and I
>         >         see that
>         >         >         fonts can
>         >         >         easily be controlled for lyrics, but I
>         didn't
>         >         provide any
>         >         >         convenient
>         >         >         buttons for this :(. Playing around with
>         it I added
>         >         these
>         >         >         lines to the
>         >         >         start of a lyric verse (all on separate
>         lines)
>         >         >
>         >         >         \override LyricText.font-shape = #'italic
>         >         >         \override LyricText.font-size = #4
>         >         >         \override LyricText.font-name = #"Arial"
>         >         >
>         >         >         and the lyrics changed from normal to
>         italic, from
>         >         the default
>         >         >         size to a
>         >         >         larger one, and from the default font to
>         the Arial
>         >         font.
>         >         >
>         >         >         You can use any or all of these, but you
>         have to be
>         >         very
>         >         >         careful to
>         >         >         paste exactly the correct text in there -
>         that's why
>         >         having
>         >         >         buttons to
>         >         >         remember the exact text is so handy. In
>         particular
>         >         watch out
>         >         >         for the #
>         >         >         the ' and the " characters which have to
>         be right.
>         >         >         The size is 0 for default -1,-2... for
>         smaller,
>         >         1,2 ..for
>         >         >         larger.
>         >         >         You need to look up the fonts you have on
>         your own
>         >         machine - I
>         >         >         tried
>         >         >         Dingbats and Gentium from the list given
>         by the
>         >         Character Map
>         >         >         tool on my
>         >         >         machine.
>         >         >
>         >         >         HTH
>         >         >
>         >         >         Richard
>         >         >
>         >         >
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