Re: [FOSDEM] Accepted devrooms

[Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller]

Hi Gerold,

Am 25.10.2012 um 13:17 schrieb Gerold Rupprecht:

> Hi Lars,
> 
> Thanks for your efforts.
> 
> Can you say anything about the selection criteria?

I had submitted a request for a devroom for another project and got almost
verbatim the same answer. There is no clear statement about rules, except:

>>> Our goal is to stimulate developer
>>> collaboration and cross-pollination between projects.

So I think a single project or even several has lower chances than a "topic".

And, available space is always an important criterion.

> 
> We have enjoyed FOSDEM presence since the beginning so I am interested
> to know why the organizers are giving preference to others. What can we
> do to make our project have greater value for FOSDEM?

I think with these criteria mentioned above, we can do nothing. We can't 
transform
our project into a "general topic". We can only organize our own 
"mini-conference".

> These people are putting in a tremendous effort at organizing, finding
> sponsors, volonteers and I really appreciate their efforts. It has
> always been a highlight for me to meet other people interested in
> GNUstep each year at FOSDEM.

Well, from the organizer's viewpoint we can still do that. Just not in a devroom
provided by them.

> One thing that comes to mind is the often difficult access to our code
> within various distributions /OSs. The code which is available has often
> been in a frustrating state where getting the code up and running.
> 
> Are reviewers finding it difficult and time-consuming?
> 
> What are the FOSDEM organizers looking at?

I don't think they are looking into any code.

> 
> We have even had the support of Richard Stallman for our project, so I
> am still convinced GNUstep has strategic value for Free Software.

Yes, but it is one of >20 (or more) strategic projects. I don't see any other 
FSF project
on the list of the accepted devrooms (I may have missed it).

> 
> What are the other projects doing that presents them as being a better
> investment for their time and resources than our project? 

They address a broader audience. Look, not even Debian or Fedora
has its own devroom. They have to share "Cross Distro".

FOSDEM has simply grown faster than the audience of our project...

> 
> Can we set a priority to fill in the gaps to again meet their
> standards? 
> 
> I have great admiration for the current and past contributors to GNUstep
> and the overall quality of work. We have had investments from Google
> summer of code for a number of contributions, so technically, I have no
> doubt as to the value of the produced code. 
> 
> The current efforts to creating debian packaging that is more current is
> a good move in the right direction (big thanks to all contributors).
> Would more automatic regression tests be of help to get better ratings?

FOSDEM does IMHO only look into importance of a topic for mankind.

> 
> Any thoughts and suggestions would be most welcome.
> 
> Would it be appropriate for us to graft ourselves onto the Testing and
> Automation group (Saturday) or the Configuration / Systems Management
> group (Sunday) this year? 
> 
> What is the interest to organize a meeting nearby to FOSDEM? 

This has crossed over with my other proposal for getting a conference
room @ some hotel nearby :)

> I really want to see GNUstep at FOSDEM again.

And I want to meet the GNUsteppers during FOSDEM time :)

> 
> All comments and suggestions welcome.

> 
> Thanks,


Nikolaus

> 
> 
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> On jeu, 2012-10-25 at 12:29 +0200, Lars Sonchocky-Helldorf wrote:
>> Sadly we are not among them :-(
>> 
>> 
>> Lars
>> 
>> Anfang der weitergeleiteten E-Mail:
>> 
>>> Von: fosdem-request@lists.fosdem.org
>>> 
>>> Datum: 25. Oktober 2012 12:00:01 MESZ
>>> 
>>> An: fosdem@lists.fosdem.org
>>> 
>>> Betreff: FOSDEM Digest, Vol 66, Issue 2
>>> 
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>>> Today's Topics:
>>> 
>>>  1. Accepted devrooms (Tias Guns)
>>> 
>>> Von: Tias Guns <tias@fosdem.org>
>>> 
>>> Datum: 24. Oktober 2012 21:27:48 MESZ
>>> 
>>> An: Fosdem Announce <fosdem@lists.fosdem.org>
>>> 
>>> Betreff: [FOSDEM] Accepted devrooms
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Devrooms are 'developer rooms' in which open source communities can
>>> organize their own schedule, made of presentations, brainstorming
>>> and hacking sessions. Our goal is to stimulate developer
>>> collaboration and cross-pollination between projects.
>>> 
>>> It is our pleasure and honor to announce that the following projects
>>> and topics have been granted a devroom at FOSDEM 2013:
>>> 
>>> Both Days
>>> ---------
>>> * Cross Distro
>>> * CrossDesktop
>>> * Embedded and Mobile
>>> * Free Java
>>> * Legal Issues
>>> * Mozilla
>>> 
>>> Saturday
>>> --------
>>> * Apache OpenOffice
>>> * Community development and Marketing
>>> * FOSS for scientists
>>> * Graph Processing
>>> * Jabber/XMPP
>>> * Microkernels / Component-based OSes
>>> * Mono
>>> * PHP and Friends
>>> * Testing and Automation
>>> * The Wine Project
>>> * Virtualization
>>> * X.org
>>> 
>>> Sunday
>>> ------
>>> * Ada
>>> * BSD
>>> * Cloud
>>> * Configuration/Systems Management
>>> * Cross Distro
>>> * LibreOffice
>>> * MySQL & Friends
>>> * NOSQL
>>> * Open Source Game Development
>>> * PostgreSQL
>>> * Python
>>> * Smalltalk
>>> * Telephony
>>> 
>>> 
>>> In the coming weeks, they will announce their call for talks on
>>> various mailinglists (including this one). We will collect them on
>>> our website as well.
>>> 
>>> We will also open our call for stands (a place in the hallway) and
>>> lightningtalks (15 minute talks) in the coming week.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On behalf of the FOSDEM program team,
>>> Tias
>>> 
>>> 
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