Speaking of Debian packages, somehow the Debian package of clang depend on some version of libobjc. If we are updating it we have to get the maintainers of the clang package to reference our libobjc2 as a dependency instead of the GCC version. Otherwise packages can conflict down the road. Also since we are doing this maybe get libdispatch and libBlocksRuntime as dependency too?
Am 17.11.2015 um 18:48 schrieb Liam Proven <lproven@gmail.com>:On 17 November 2015 at 18:18, Riccardo Mottola
<riccardo.mottola@libero.it> wrote:
I dissent this, I have installed various systems and on a standard
configuration, especially if you can jsut partition one single disk, I found
all three major BSDs easy to install like Linux.
The installer is nicely text based, but it is easy and leaves you a working
system. Especially OpenBSD is extremely easy to maintain. It has an
excellent way to update your packages every 6 months, seamless upgrades.
Granted,I upgraded my FreeBSD workstation and X now doesn't work.. but on my
laptop freezes due to X drivers now and then too, so I'd call that a tie!
I am not disputing your experiences, but mine are radically different.
And while it is slightly off the direct topic, I think it is relevant.
While it is a good thing that there are OSes that have a working
current version of the GNUstep environment, I submit that,
increasingly, Linux means the Debian family, and for most people,
specifically Ubuntu. It is the easiest to install, the easiest to
update, the most rich and complete and widely-supported free OS that
exists.
*That* is what should be the #1 priority to support well with GNUstep.
The answer to the problem "I can't install GNUstep on Ubuntu or
Debian" is _not_ "install FreeBSD instead". It's not "install
$ANY_OTHER_OS".
It's to have current, working packages for Debian and to get them
included in the Debian OS so that they are also available to
downstream projects such as Ubuntu.
Here I would even prioritize:#1 is have up-to-date and working Debian packages repo (withcross-compiled arm-linux-armhf and arm-linux-i86) on gnustep.orgso that a simple /etc/apt/sources.list entry suffices.Then installation instructions could be very simple: set up Debian onsome machine, add a line to /e/a/s.l and apt-get update + apt-get install gnustep.It should also be easy to provide the headers and source file packages to nativelycompile on some Debian machine.Getting this upstream into Sid is IMHO easier if that one runs flawless for 1-2 years.I am running such a scheme for ~5 years now for QuantumSTEP:http://download.goldelico.com/quantumstep/debian/dists/But before you try:1. QuantumSTEP it is not 100% GNUstep (it shares some code but not all concepts)2. it is currently *not* compatible to Debian Jessie or later (mismatch of library versions)3. it is not as well documented as GNUstep
Ubuntu is something like 20x more widely-used than any other distro
based on accesses to Wikipedia:
http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1970241
Even tech-geek sites see 3x more traffic from Ubuntu than from any other distro:
http://redmonk.com/dberkholz/2013/05/20/ranking-linux-distributions-and-the-decline-of-the-traditional-distros/
I'm not saying Ubuntu is perfect. It's not. But it's the leading
distro, it offers all the major desktops, it has official remixes with
Unity, KDE, GNOME 3, Maté, Xfce and LXDE, and it does have (horribly
outdated) GNUstep packages in its repos.
A very old wish is that similarly to "apt-get install lxde" or "apt-get install xfce4" itshould be as simple as "apt-get install gnustep" to get a fully (pre)configured desktop.
There is also a current Raspberry Pi version.
And there is almost always a Debian/Ubuntu for most other high quantity SBCboards. E.g. BeagleBone.
This is what we need to target if we want people to see and try GNUstep.
And everything that argues for Ubuntu over Fedora/SUSE/Arch/$DISTRO is
true 10x over for Linux versus any BSD. All the BSDs together have
orders of magnitude fewer users than Linux, and most of those on
servers.
100% agree.And if it comes to ARM based SBC boards, support of *BSD is quite rare.If we want GNUstep+GAP to become more widely used, we should not startwith or force users into niche configurations.-- hns_______________________________________________Discuss-gnustep mailing listDiscuss-gnustep@gnu.orghttps://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss-gnustep