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[Emacs-bug-tracker] bug#5559: marked as done (23.1.92; Don't change the

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Subject: [Emacs-bug-tracker] bug#5559: marked as done (23.1.92; Don't change the default operation of emacs)
Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 19:40:03 +0000 
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--- Begin Message --- Subject: 23.1.92; Don't change the default operation of emacs Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2010 13:47:53 -0800 
Well I am reporting this as a bug as it drives me nuts. I have no idea
what all the reasons for these changes I noticed in either 23.1 or
23.1.92 are. But here is a users opinion on them.

When you have people using emacs the new versions shouldn't change
anything. They are setup to do a job and need to continue on without
spending a day figuring out what new items to disable. Many people are
setup by someone else and they don't have a clue as to how to fix it. So
their setup person has to spend time with them to sort it out. Advertise
the new stuff in NEWS and let people enable it if they want.


some of the things that I caught right away

mail-mode versus message mode
          colors ( can't see them good because of the colors I have set)
          message mail send slower
          mail not put in FCC file

babyl format to mbox format

split left/right versus top/bottom


I assume ther are more but I went back to 22.3



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--- Begin Message --- Subject: Re: bug#5559: 23.1.92; Don't change the default operation of emacs Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 14:39:06 -0500 User-agent: Gnus (www.gnus.org), GNU Emacs (www.gnu.org/software/emacs/) 
Warren L Dodge wrote:

> mail-mode versus message mode

This is certainly controversial (eg check emacs-devel archives). Emacs
does try to pop up a warning message about this change. All you need
do is

(setq mail-user-agent 'sendmail-user-agent)

if it bothers you.

>           message mail send slower

This is not supposed to happen, and presumably doesn't happen for most
people since it has not been reported before. This is bug#5558.

>           mail not put in FCC file

This is bug#5555.

> babyl format to mbox format

Hopefully you can agree it is better in the long-run for Rmail to use
a more standard format like mbox. It would have been nice if Rmail
could still handle Babyl as well, but there was no-one to do the work
of making it support two formats.

> split left/right versus top/bottom

This is a new feature which some modes still don't expect and so it
can cause some issues. It should only happen for wide frames.

(setq split-width-threshold nil)

should make it go away.

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