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bug#60646: closed (28.2; delete-selection-mode)


From: GNU bug Tracking System
Subject: bug#60646: closed (28.2; delete-selection-mode)
Date: Tue, 05 Sep 2023 21:34:02 +0000

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regarding 28.2; delete-selection-mode
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--- Begin Message --- Subject: 28.2; delete-selection-mode Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2023 01:31:30 +0000
I would like to express my strong support for enabling delete-selection-mode by default. This is standard for almost all other text applications and feels unintuitive not to have it. 

Thanks for your consideration and keep up the good work.
Eric Redekopp, University Of Saskatchewan

In GNU Emacs 28.2 (build 1, x86_64-pc-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version 3.24.34, cairo version 1.17.6)
 of 2022-09-12 built on frederik
Windowing system distributor 'The X.Org Foundation', version 11.0.12101006
System Description: Manjaro Linux

Configured using:
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Major mode: Lisp Interaction

Minor modes in effect:
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--- End Message ---
--- Begin Message --- Subject: Re: bug#60646: 28.2; delete-selection-mode Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2023 14:33:01 -0700
Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> writes:

> delete-selection-mode is problematic in that it introduces behavior
> that is extremely surprising and annoying to those who are used to the
> old-style GUI selections and the Emacs region.

That's probably true.  I'd personally not use the word "extremely" given
that it'd be relatively easy for veterans to turn it off (easier than,
say, for beginners to turn it on).

> Thus, enabling it by default is out of the question;

I don't agree, not completely, but this *is* long-standing behavior, and
a change would be controversial.  This has been discussed many times,
and it's been hard to find a new consensus.

I'm therefore closing this bug report.  Thanks for reporting it, and I'm
sorry if the conclusion is disappointing.  We will have a chance to
revisit this the next time someone brings it up.


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