Re: C-l while in menu?

[Ben Wing]

i'm sorry about the tone of that last message, it may have come across 
badly.

what i meant to say [more nicely!] was that although we certainly should 
provide f10 as a way to get to the menus, most of the world uses 
accelerators as the standard way of getting to menus, and with 
sufficiently clever design [a la what i've done in xemacs], you can use 
accelerators with only one meta key and without interfering with the 
other uses of meta.  it's much better to make accelerators work 
seamlessly than do them in a clumsy fashion and *require* that f10 be 
used to get to the menus -- it should be a backup.

btw i checked it out on windows, and most programs do indeed let you get 
to the menus using f10 as well as accelerators.  the one exception is 
VC++ -- the program that we should probably take as our first point of 
reference when updating the GUI.  VC++ uses f10 for "next instruction" 
[single step but not into function calls].  my own personal bindings use 
F10 as Undo, and I use the accelerators [with only one META key, i.e. 
accelerators and M-foo are multiplexed] all the time in XEmacs, and i 
have very few problems with it.

ben

Pavel Janík wrote:

>   From: Ben Wing <address@hidden>
>   Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 06:04:52 -0700
>
> Ben, Stefan,
>
>   > >>    I think it is very easy. We should use F10, and invent new variable
>   > >>    f10-should-use-tmm (this is only idea to exactly describe its 
> meaning...)
>   > >>    defaulting to nil.
>
> [...]
>
>   > -- if you have an alt key separate from meta, you can use it for menu
>   > accelerators.
>
> I was not talking about accelerators. I know how to use them in XEmacs. But
> I do not know if there is a key binding to pop-up the first menu in the
> menubar. We would like Emacs to be compatible if XEmacs if it has that
> feature. I do not use XEmacs so I'm asking: does XEmacs have that feature?
> If so, what is the keybinding?
>
> As Eli said: keyboard controlling menu is useless if you do not have a way
> to enter menubar. Accelerators is one way, but I'm looking for the second
> one right now.
>
> [...]
>
> Due to this misunderstanding I ignored the rest of your e-mail.