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Re: emacs and guile (Re: ehelp woes, or why I hate a module that I love
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Stefan Monnier |
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Re: emacs and guile (Re: ehelp woes, or why I hate a module that I love so much) |
Date: |
Fri, 19 Jul 2002 09:34:22 -0400 |
> > Actually, this is a recent change, right ? In Emacs-21.2, `symbol-name'
> > always returns a string with no properties. In that case we should
> > probably also strip the properties when we create a new symbol, instead
> > of wasting those intervals.
>
> I don't know about 21.2, but it happens for me with:
> 21.1 - at work
Looks like I was wrong then. Sorry.
> Are you sure about 21.2? It would be odd for it to have been fixed
> there but not on the trunk. Here's the whole thing I'm doing to
> reproduce it in ielm:
>
> ELISP> (setq s "booga-booga")
> "booga-booga"
> ELISP> (put-text-property 3 6 'some-prop 'some-val s)
> nil
> ELISP> (setq s2 (intern s))
> booga-booga
> ELISP> (symbol-name 'booga-booga)
> #("booga-booga" 0 3 nil 3 6
> (some-prop some-val)
> 6 11 nil)
>
> I do think it makes sense for symbol-name's return value to have no
> text properties.
I agree, but I'm not sure it matters enough to change `intern's behavior.
> >> An Emacs Lisp symbol's name can also be changed after interning, such
> >> that it won't be found when interning either the old name or
> >> (probably) the new name.
> >
> > This is undocumented and I don't know of any code that relies on it
> > (well, I know of some such code, but not in any elisp package).
> > I think it should be considered as a misfeature/bug (but I don't
> > think it's worth fixing unless the fix is to make the output of
> > `symbol-name' be read-only).
>
> Maybe if we had read-only strings....
My Emacs' strings are (mostly) read-only (as are its `defconst' variables).
It does introduce some breakage, but the use of `aset' on strings is
surprisingly infrequent.
> > I'm pretty sure that Scheme's symbol-name (if such a function exists)
> > returns a brand new string.
>
> Which would be another difference -- retrieving the name twice would
> give two values not "eq?" while in Emacs Lisp they are "eq". So is
> *that* property something that anyone might rely on in their Lisp code?
I don't think I've ever seen code rely on it, but I like it from
a performance point of view.
Stefan
- Re: ehelp woes, or why I hate a module that I love so much, (continued)
- Re: ehelp woes, or why I hate a module that I love so much, Juanma Barranquero, 2002/07/04
- emacs and guile (Re: ehelp woes, or why I hate a module that I love so much), Ken Raeburn, 2002/07/16
- Re: emacs and guile (Re: ehelp woes, or why I hate a module that I love so much), Juanma Barranquero, 2002/07/17
- Re: emacs and guile (Re: ehelp woes, or why I hate a module that I love so much), Kai Großjohann, 2002/07/17
- Re: emacs and guile (Re: ehelp woes, or why I hate a module that I love so much), Richard Stallman, 2002/07/18
- Re: emacs and guile (Re: ehelp woes, or why I hate a module that I love so much), Ken Raeburn, 2002/07/18
- Re: emacs and guile (Re: ehelp woes, or why I hate a module that I love so much), Richard Stallman, 2002/07/18
- Re: emacs and guile (Re: ehelp woes, or why I hate a module that I love so much), Ken Raeburn, 2002/07/18
- Re: emacs and guile (Re: ehelp woes, or why I hate a module that I love so much), Stefan Monnier, 2002/07/19
- Re: emacs and guile (Re: ehelp woes, or why I hate a module that I love so much), Ken Raeburn, 2002/07/19
- Re: emacs and guile (Re: ehelp woes, or why I hate a module that I love so much),
Stefan Monnier <=
- Re: emacs and guile (Re: ehelp woes, or why I hate a module that I love so much), Andreas Schwab, 2002/07/19
- Re: emacs and guile (Re: ehelp woes, or why I hate a module that I love so much), Stefan Monnier, 2002/07/19
- Re: emacs and guile (Re: ehelp woes, or why I hate a module that I love so much), Richard Stallman, 2002/07/19
- Re: emacs and guile (Re: ehelp woes, or why I hate a module that I love so much), Ken Raeburn, 2002/07/19
- Re: emacs and guile (Re: ehelp woes, or why I hate a module that I love so much), Marius Vollmer, 2002/07/19
- Re: emacs and guile (Re: ehelp woes, or why I hate a module that I love so much), Richard Stallman, 2002/07/19
- Re: emacs and guile (Re: ehelp woes, or why I hate a module that I love so much), Marius Vollmer, 2002/07/20
- Re: emacs and guile (Re: ehelp woes, or why I hate a module that I love so much), Richard Stallman, 2002/07/21
- Re: emacs and guile (Re: ehelp woes, or why I hate a module that I love so much), Richard Stallman, 2002/07/19
- Re: emacs and guile (Re: ehelp woes, or why I hate a module that I love so much), Richard Stallman, 2002/07/18