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Re: recent changes to org files
From: |
Carsten Dominik |
Subject: |
Re: recent changes to org files |
Date: |
Tue, 23 Oct 2007 13:34:44 +0200 |
On Oct 23, 2007, at 1:16 PM, David Kastrup wrote:
Carsten Dominik <address@hidden> writes:
I don't have the time to spend my days on emacs-devel, my energy
goes into making org-mode as good as I can. The version of org-mode
that is tested the most is the one I distribute, and the most likely
to not have any bugs.
That assumes that more people use the org-mode from your web site than
the org mode in Emacs, since using org-mode is a sort of testing.
I do believe that many people use Org-mode in Emacs. But the people
who use
it heavily and report back fastest tent to be the ones on the
development list,
and they tend to run the newest version. Inside Emacs, I guess the
version that is
distributed with Emacs 22 is heavily tested, the CVS version less
so? Not sure.
That is the one I am checking into. Emacs. When I see changes made
to org-mode in Emacs I am incorporating them into my master copy if
they make sense, and only then.
If I would follow Stefan' advice and only check in diffs, the `next-
line' code would be broken now.
If indeed this would be the case (and I don't see that right now), it
Well, checking in a patch with changes would not lead to a conflict
in an
area that I have not modified. So just checking in patches will not
remove a bug that has (clearly by accident) been introduced in one of
those
clean-up operations where many files are are modified in order to
implement
a rule like "don't use next-line in lisp programs". These changes
typically
affect many files, and it is impossible for the developer who does
the change
to be sure in all cases that he has done the right thing. The only
way to make sure
is to run these changes by the maintainer. In that past, that has
happened
sometimes: I get an email with proposed changes, with the request to
check
them before they are committed. For example, Stefan has been doing
things like
this, and I appreciate his comments and additions, and the way he
handles it, a lot.
would be broken in a documented and isolatable way, and for a reason.
This reason remains to exist. Overwriting the change without comment
or documentation means that the same reason will possibly result in
the same change being made later on.
If some code is in violation of the Emacs development guidelines, the
reason should be documented so that people _know_ about it and leave
it alone. Silently reverting the change in a manner that looks like
an accident will not achieve this.
Yes. Of course I only reverted the change "by accident" without an
accompanying
change log. Still, I am maintaining that the copy I work on every
day is the most
reliable one, and that any significant changes should be run by me.
I do agree, I am not battling, I am doing as good as I can and I I
sometimes slip. But if I am the maintainer of org-mode in Emacs,
than I and no one else decides what goes into the mode and what not.
If people disagree, and I will quit maintaining this mode inside
Emacs.
Basically you are asking that nothing, including bug fixes, may be
committed to org-mode except by yourself.
No, this is not correct. I request that I changes are run by me
first, and that I get
the last word. Obviously ion 99% of cases, things are fine and the
will be
only happy agreement.
Being a maintainer does not mean that nobody else may do work on the
code. It means that people in general respect you having the last
word. But it is the last, not the only word.
Exactly my words.
- Carsten
- Re: recent changes to org files, (continued)
- Re: recent changes to org files, David Kastrup, 2007/10/23
- Re: recent changes to org files, Carsten Dominik, 2007/10/23
- Re: recent changes to org files, Juanma Barranquero, 2007/10/23
- Re: recent changes to org files, Carsten Dominik, 2007/10/23
- Re: recent changes to org files, Juanma Barranquero, 2007/10/23
- Re: recent changes to org files, Carsten Dominik, 2007/10/23
- Re: recent changes to org files, Juanma Barranquero, 2007/10/23
- Re: recent changes to org files, Carsten Dominik, 2007/10/23
- Re: recent changes to org files, Stefan Monnier, 2007/10/23
- Re: recent changes to org files, David Kastrup, 2007/10/23
- Re: recent changes to org files,
Carsten Dominik <=
- Re: recent changes to org files, Juanma Barranquero, 2007/10/23
- Re: recent changes to org files, Richard Stallman, 2007/10/23
- Re: recent changes to org files, David Kastrup, 2007/10/23
- Re: recent changes to org files, Carsten Dominik, 2007/10/23
- Re: recent changes to org files, Richard Stallman, 2007/10/23
- Re: recent changes to org files, Stefan Monnier, 2007/10/23
- Re: recent changes to org files, Carsten Dominik, 2007/10/23
- Re: recent changes to org files, Richard Stallman, 2007/10/23
- Re: recent changes to org files, Carsten Dominik, 2007/10/23
- Re: recent changes to org files, Glenn Morris, 2007/10/29