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AW: Fwd: CEDET sync
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Berndl, Klaus |
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AW: Fwd: CEDET sync |
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Tue, 2 Mar 2010 08:58:00 +0100 |
>From my point of view which is also ECBs point of view:
Supporting not only Emacs but also Xemacs should be a value upheld be tools
like CEDET and ECB, even when merged into Emacs. But cause of some really heavy
incompatibilities between these both flavors of Emacs it is a smart move to
decide where to invest the main power (of development). And IMHO a) GNU Emacs
has high potential future (just compare the different traffic on the both
development mailing lists) whereas b) Xemacs is headed south (again IMHO) and
will be of little importance for software development - but a) one only if it
(Emacs) goes the way towards a really Integrated development environment (IDE)
- for this a stable backbone like CEDET is essetial and also essential that
this backbone is a stable part of Emacs.
Eric, please do not wait with CEDET 1.0 release until thew cows come
home...IMHO CEDET 1.0 should have been released month (or even years) ago...
Push it out and that's it. Then please merge the two code bases as soon as
possible and factorize out all Xemacs-compatibility stuff into some separated
libraries like cedet-xemacs-support.el. I have decided to this for my ECB to
make a clear code-basis for the main development direction (which is Emacs). So
on one hand CEDET will have a unique code-structure and can be evolved easily
even with two repositories (Emacs and CEDET-project) and you can uphold the
Xemacs-compatibility by just maintaining the "cedet-xemacs-support.el"...
For a tool like ECB it's a pain to support two different main interfaces for
one external library. So i second Stefan and my vote for the priorities is: No
further effort for CEDET 1.0 but all effort into the merge. Many many many ...
many thanks in advance from me!
Best Regards
Klaus
-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: address@hidden [mailto:address@hidden Im Auftrag von Eric M. Ludlam
Gesendet: Montag, 1. März 2010 23:43
An: Stefan Monnier
Cc: Chong Yidong; Lluís; address@hidden
Betreff: Re: Fwd: CEDET sync
On 03/01/2010 04:27 PM, Stefan Monnier wrote:
>>> Questions are:
>>> 1) is anybody already doing such a sync?
>>> 2) if not, from which date should I start synchronizing changes?
>>>
>>> I'm not fully aware of which extra changes are required for the
>>> synchronization
>>> (except for the long name -> subdirectory fix), so directions will be much
>>> appreciated.
>
>> I planned to do a sync after the Emacs 23.2 release branch is made, but
>> you are welcome to do it if you like.
>
> I really don't like that smell. We need to make sure the two code-bases
> evolve in-sync, which won't work as long as we keep "gratuitous"
> differences between the two (file names and things like that).
>
> I thought Eric was to incorporate most/all of the changes we made into
> his version. If this doesn't take place real soon, it'll become much
> too painful to maintain.
Indeed, that is my plan. I fear the big merge will make it harder to
support older Emacsen and XEmacs, so I wanted to get some sort of stable
release out that can finalize that style of CEDET. It's just been slow.
Since I don't have a feature freeze or anything, CEDET keeps getting a
little better over time, almost without me, while I've been getting test
suites up and running against various Emacs flavors.
My hope is that this last release I did shows few build/compatibility
problems and I can easily just post the last release on CVS, then move
on. Last year issues and patches kept coming for a couple months. It's
been much slower this time around.
Eric
- Fwd: CEDET sync, Lluís, 2010/03/01
- Re: Fwd: CEDET sync, Chong Yidong, 2010/03/01
- Re: Fwd: CEDET sync, Lennart Borgman, 2010/03/01
- Re: Fwd: CEDET sync, Stefan Monnier, 2010/03/01
- Re: Fwd: CEDET sync, Fabian Ezequiel Gallina, 2010/03/01
- Re: Fwd: CEDET sync, Eric M. Ludlam, 2010/03/01
- AW: Fwd: CEDET sync,
Berndl, Klaus <=
- AW: Fwd: CEDET sync, Stephen J. Turnbull, 2010/03/02
- Re: AW: Fwd: CEDET sync, David Kastrup, 2010/03/02
- Re: AW: Fwd: CEDET sync, Lennart Borgman, 2010/03/02
- AW: AW: Fwd: CEDET sync, Berndl, Klaus, 2010/03/02
- Re: AW: Fwd: CEDET sync, Lennart Borgman, 2010/03/02
- AW: AW: Fwd: CEDET sync, Berndl, Klaus, 2010/03/02
- Re: AW: AW: Fwd: CEDET sync, Juri Linkov, 2010/03/02
- Re: AW: AW: Fwd: CEDET sync, Stephen J. Turnbull, 2010/03/02
- Re: AW: AW: Fwd: CEDET sync, Michael Sperber, 2010/03/05
- read syntax for window configs (was: CEDET sync), Drew Adams, 2010/03/05