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Re: [Emacs-diffs] /srv/bzr/emacs/trunk r99650: Put scroll-bar on right b
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Alan Mackenzie |
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Re: [Emacs-diffs] /srv/bzr/emacs/trunk r99650: Put scroll-bar on right by default on UNIX. |
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Sun, 14 Mar 2010 19:01:09 +0000 |
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Mutt/1.5.9i |
On Sun, Mar 14, 2010 at 02:02:40PM -0400, James Cloos wrote:
> >>>>> "AM" == Alan Mackenzie <address@hidden> writes:
> AM> On the right, the scroll bar doesn't get in the way, at least not
> AM> very much.
> In other words, it is essentially invisible and might as well not exist
> at all. A nice narrow, neutral gray or grayish bar has just the right
> visibility to provide data w/o distraction.
No. It's visible, but not intrusive there. Anyhow, as I said, I run
Emacs without a scroll bar.
> AM> On the left, it is very close to where you're mostly
> AM> inserting/deleting/reading text,
> and hence is w/in view and therefore usable.
> AM> I think it's based on the assumption that a scroll bar is an
> AM> essential part of editing that nobody can bear to be without; that
> AM> it'll be getting used so often that nobody could possibly object
> AM> to it. I think these assumptions warrant examination, particularly
> AM> under Emacs.
> The most important use of the scroll bar in a keyboard-controlable app
> like Emacs is as a visual reference to the size of the buffer as
> compared to the size of the visible window.
I would think it's more of a personal thing
> That only works when it is near the text.
I would think that's a personal thing, too.
> Most apps should have their vertical bar on the left in l2r locales and
> right in r2l locales. And they should blend into the background except
> when you actually want to look at them. Emacs --with-toolkit=athena
> does that exceptionally well.
Again, it's a competition between being easily visible and cluttering up
an important part of your frame. It's a bit like the blinking cursor
debate. I think we'd agree, it wouldn't be a bad idea for the scroll bar
position to be an option.
> James Cloos <address@hidden> OpenPGP: 1024D/ED7DAEA6
--
Alan Mackenzie (Nuremberg, Germany).
- Re: [Emacs-diffs] /srv/bzr/emacs/trunk r99650: Put scroll-bar on right by default on UNIX., (continued)
- Re: [Emacs-diffs] /srv/bzr/emacs/trunk r99650: Put scroll-bar on right by default on UNIX., David Kastrup, 2010/03/14
- Re: [Emacs-diffs] /srv/bzr/emacs/trunk r99650: Put scroll-bar on right by default on UNIX., David Kastrup, 2010/03/14
- Re: [Emacs-diffs] /srv/bzr/emacs/trunk r99650: Put scroll-bar on right by default on UNIX., Stefan Monnier, 2010/03/14
- Re: [Emacs-diffs] /srv/bzr/emacs/trunk r99650: Put scroll-bar on right by default on UNIX., David Kastrup, 2010/03/15
- RE: [Emacs-diffs] /srv/bzr/emacs/trunk r99650: Put scroll-baron right by default on UNIX., Drew Adams, 2010/03/15
- Re: [Emacs-diffs] /srv/bzr/emacs/trunk r99650: Put scroll-baron right by default on UNIX., James Cloos, 2010/03/15
- RE: [Emacs-diffs] /srv/bzr/emacs/trunk r99650: Put scroll-baron right by default on UNIX., Drew Adams, 2010/03/15
- Re: [Emacs-diffs] /srv/bzr/emacs/trunk r99650: Put scroll-baron right by default on UNIX., James Cloos, 2010/03/15
- Re: [Emacs-diffs] /srv/bzr/emacs/trunk r99650: Put scroll-baron right by default on UNIX., David Kastrup, 2010/03/16
- Re: [Emacs-diffs] /srv/bzr/emacs/trunk r99650: Put scroll-bar on right by default on UNIX., James Cloos, 2010/03/14
- Re: [Emacs-diffs] /srv/bzr/emacs/trunk r99650: Put scroll-bar on right by default on UNIX.,
Alan Mackenzie <=
- Re: [Emacs-diffs] /srv/bzr/emacs/trunk r99650: Put scroll-bar on right by default on UNIX., James Cloos, 2010/03/14
- Re: [Emacs-diffs] /srv/bzr/emacs/trunk r99650: Put scroll-bar on right by default on UNIX., Andreas Schwab, 2010/03/14
- Re: [Emacs-diffs] /srv/bzr/emacs/trunk r99650: Put scroll-bar on right by default on UNIX., Jan Djärv, 2010/03/14
- Re: [Emacs-diffs] /srv/bzr/emacs/trunk r99650: Put scroll-bar on right by default on UNIX., Jan D., 2010/03/15
- Re: [Emacs-diffs] /srv/bzr/emacs/trunk r99650: Put scroll-bar on right by default on UNIX., James Cloos, 2010/03/14
- Re: [Emacs-diffs] /srv/bzr/emacs/trunk r99650: Put scroll-bar on right by default on UNIX., Alan Mackenzie, 2010/03/15
- Re: [Emacs-diffs] /srv/bzr/emacs/trunk r99650: Put scroll-bar on right by default on UNIX., Eli Zaretskii, 2010/03/14
- Re: [Emacs-diffs] /srv/bzr/emacs/trunk r99650: Put scroll-bar on right by default on UNIX., James Cloos, 2010/03/14
- Re: [Emacs-diffs] /srv/bzr/emacs/trunk r99650: Put scroll-bar on right by default on UNIX., Eli Zaretskii, 2010/03/14
- Re: [Emacs-diffs] /srv/bzr/emacs/trunk r99650: Put scroll-bar on right by default on UNIX., Óscar Fuentes, 2010/03/14