Re: arrow keys vs. C-f/b/n/p

[Eli Zaretskii]

> From: Chong Yidong <address@hidden>
> Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2010 13:37:59 -0400
> Cc: Eli Zaretskii <address@hidden>, David Kastrup <address@hidden>,
>       address@hidden
> 
> James Cloos <address@hidden> writes:
> 
> > In gedit C-f and C-b move forward and backward logically, whereas LEFT
> > and RIGHT move left and right visually.  I suspect that all παν語 (aka
> > pango) apps -- notably including most gtk/gnome apps -- will also do so.
> >
> > In seamonkey, in a web-page's text input box, both the arrow keys and
> > the C-b and C-f keys move visually.
> >
> > In gvim, both the h and l keys and the arrow keys move visually.
> >
> > In Openoffice.org, the arrow keys move logically.
> 
> Well, this sample indicates a complete lack of consensus, contra Eli's
> earlier statement that

I don't think so.  At least, we should remove gvim from this sample,
and wait for James to provide more accurate information about the
rest.

> >>> this is what users of bidirectional scripts expect -- they are used
> >>> to it in every other bidi-aware application out there.
> 
> One possibility is that editors intended specifically for bidi, such as
> native-language Hebrew or Arabic apps, have a convention that vim,
> gedit, etc have not taken up.  So, could anyone who has experience with
> such apps speak up?

I just did speak up.  What is implemented in Emacs now is precisely
what those native apps do.  Why don't you believe me?