Re: Emacs learning curve

[Sebastian Rose]

Tom <address@hidden> writes:
> David Kastrup <dak <at> gnu.org> writes:
>> >
>> > There is no reason to use the word yank for an operation which practically
>> > every other system calls paste. It's one of those totally unnecessary 
>> > roadblocks for newbies in emacs.
>> 
>> Au contraire.  If the operations were named "cut" and "paste", the
>> newbie would be completely without mnemonics for C-k, C-y and their ilk.
>> 
>
>
> This could be the other part of making Emacs more easy to use for
> newbies.
>
> For cut/copy/paste the most popular systems all have an accepted
> de facto standard:
>
> GNOME/KDE/Windows: control-X/C/V
> Macintosh: Command X/C/V

Has nothing to do with killing in emacs.

> C-y is not superior to C-v. It's different and has no intrinsic
> advantage. I understand hardcore emacs users don't want to use
> different keys and it is perfectly acceptable.

C-w, C-y, M-w etc. use a different clipboard.  It's sooo useful!  If you
mark a region with your mouse, the contents are copied to that
clipboard, too.

And I can kill and yank confidential data between emacs buffers (which I
often do) and be sure to not paste it in a e.g. web browser's form!
To paste there, I'd have to use middle click, which means I'd have to
use the mouse.

Using the mouse, on the other hand, is very fast in some cases to copy
lots of pieces of data. This can only be done, because of the way emacs
kill-ring-saves text (M-w). 


Every application on a GNU/Linux system distinguishes between those two
clipboards.  I see how windows (and MAC?) users cannot judge this.

Both of these applications are not available on Windows systems, because
Windows it's an working environment many people use, but it's a bad and
stupid and restricted working environment - everyone here knows that.




BUT: I can see no reason, why `clipboard-kill-ring-save' et al could not
be bound to a sensible and simple key by default.



  Sebastian