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Re: can `shuffle-vector' be moved?
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Ted Zlatanov |
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Re: can `shuffle-vector' be moved? |
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Fri, 13 May 2011 11:22:42 -0500 |
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On Fri, 13 May 2011 12:26:34 -0300 Stefan Monnier <address@hidden> wrote:
>> OK. Can there be a cl-macs-extras.el for "general cl-macs based code
>> that is safe to include in ELisp code"?
SM> I really have no idea why you want it in cl-macs:
SM> 1- the "macs" part refers to "macros", your function isn't one.
SM> 2- it does not provide a CL-style function.
SM> 3- using a CL macro in its definition is a property share by a lot more
SM> code than just the CL code. And actually, the cl*.el files tend not
SM> to use CL features, to avoid circular dependencies.
I was trying to say "miscellaneous functions that require cl-macs.el."
I think the value of the loop-based `shuffle' is code brevity and
clarity; otherwise it's no better than `shuffle-vector' and has a
startup penalty if you don't have cl-macs.el loaded. So if you don't
think it's worth keeping it around for those qualities, I have no
problem with dropping it.
>> but that's an inconsistency all the cookie1.el functions have.
SM> The only other function I see in cookie1.el that does not use the
SM> "cookie-" prefix is "read-cookie", which is borderline acceptable (we
SM> have a few such "shared prefixes" like "turn-on-").
I mean that they all have the "cookie-" prefix while the package is
called cookie1.el.
SM> So, `shuffle-vector' does indeed stand out. And the fact that it's
SM> autoloaded is a clear sign it is intended to be used by other
SM> packages. But I see no good place to put it right now, and I don't
SM> think it deserves creating a "misc-lib.el" for itself (although some
SM> of the functions in subr.el might be good candidates for such a new
SM> package).
Yes, maybe we're at the tipping point where it's worth breaking up
subr.el into subr-vec.el, subr-list.el, subr-alist.el, etc. OTOH it's
nice to have them in one place.
Ted
- can `shuffle-vector' be moved?, Ted Zlatanov, 2011/05/12
- Re: can `shuffle-vector' be moved?, Leo, 2011/05/12
- Re: can `shuffle-vector' be moved?, Ted Zlatanov, 2011/05/12
- Re: can `shuffle-vector' be moved?, Kevin Rodgers, 2011/05/13
- Re: can `shuffle-vector' be moved?, Ted Zlatanov, 2011/05/13
- Re: can `shuffle-vector' be moved?, Stefan Monnier, 2011/05/13
- Re: can `shuffle-vector' be moved?,
Ted Zlatanov <=
- Re: can `shuffle-vector' be moved?, Stefan Monnier, 2011/05/13
- Re: can `shuffle-vector' be moved?, Ted Zlatanov, 2011/05/13
Re: can `shuffle-vector' be moved?, Thierry Volpiatto, 2011/05/13