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RE: smtp crap
From: |
Drew Adams |
Subject: |
RE: smtp crap |
Date: |
Sat, 8 Oct 2011 07:38:09 -0700 |
> > Chong and Lars, any objections to changing the default value of
> > send-mail-function to mailclient-send-it for MS-Windows only?
>
> I don't think `mailclient-send-it' is a very satisfactory solution for
> sending email. It pops up a different mailer,
A "different" mailer? Different from what? From Emacs?
How about: it pops up the SAME mailer the USER chose and is used to and
comfortable with. Are we trying to shove Emacs down people's throats, as a
_mailer_?
> and the user has to take actions there, too, to actually send the mail.
Uh yeah, "take actions": `C-a C-v'. Big deal. No one has complained about
that. And if you want to and can obviate the need to hit `C-a C-v' too, then by
all means, please do.
But please do not try to use that need to paste the composed message (`C-a C-v')
as a reason to keep to this ridiculous, extraneous dialog that is not even
initiated by the user.
> And it doesn't support MIME, so you can't add attachments, and so on.
What is "it"? What are you talking about? I add attachments all the time with
the mailer I use on Windows. And of course it supports MIME.
Please stop worrying about what other mailers support. And please stop imposing
the solicitation
"are-you-sure-you-don't-want-to-SWITCH-to-Emacs/gnus-NOW-as-your-mailer?" on
users. This thing is completely misguided.
> mailclient makes Emacs into a second-rate mail client, which seems
> unfortunate as a default.
It doesn't make Emacs into anything. It simply means _not_ using Emacs as a
mail client. So what? Stop trying to push Emacs as a mail client. Let users
_request_ it if they want it. _After_ they request it, then you can lead them
down the garden path through whatever contorted dialog you like.
When a user is simply trying to report a bug - to help improve Emacs! - is no
time to interrupt her with an attempt to get her to configure Emacs as her mail
client (even if she already has a mail client). And in fact _no_ time is
appropriate for doing that.
I really cannot believe this one got past the maintainers and they have remained
silent about it for months.
- smtp crap, Miles Bader, 2011/10/07
- Re: smtp crap, Chong Yidong, 2011/10/08
- RE: smtp crap, Drew Adams, 2011/10/08
- Re: smtp crap, Eli Zaretskii, 2011/10/08
- RE: smtp crap, Drew Adams, 2011/10/08
- Re: smtp crap, Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen, 2011/10/08
- Re: smtp crap, Eli Zaretskii, 2011/10/08
- Re: smtp crap, Sivaram Neelakantan, 2011/10/09
- Re: smtp crap, Tim Cross, 2011/10/09
- Re: smtp crap, Richard Riley, 2011/10/10
- RE: smtp crap,
Drew Adams <=
- Re: smtp crap, Tim Cross, 2011/10/09
- Re: smtp crap, Stefan Monnier, 2011/10/10
- RE: smtp crap, Drew Adams, 2011/10/10
- Re: smtp crap, Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen, 2011/10/10
- RE: smtp crap, Drew Adams, 2011/10/10
- Re: smtp crap, Stefan Monnier, 2011/10/10
- RE: smtp crap, Drew Adams, 2011/10/11
- Re: smtp crap, Eli Zaretskii, 2011/10/11
- Re: smtp crap, Stefan Monnier, 2011/10/11
- Re: smtp crap, Eli Zaretskii, 2011/10/11