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Re: text-quoting-style
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Alan Mackenzie |
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Re: text-quoting-style |
Date: |
Mon, 31 Aug 2015 20:13:43 +0000 |
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Mutt/1.5.23 (2014-03-12) |
Hello, Paul.
On Sun, Aug 30, 2015 at 11:29:27PM -0700, Paul Eggert wrote:
> Stefan Monnier wrote:
> > E.g. text-quoting-style doesn't prevent the existence of curly quotes in
> > Emacs, so for some interpretation of the above it's not sufficient.
> I think Alan was mainly annoyed by three things in the initial implementation
> of
> curved quotes in docstrings.
> 1. They didn't display well enough on his Linux kernel console to satisfy
> him.
> 2. It's painful for him to search for strings containing curved quotes.
> 3. When he copies from *Help* and/or *Message* buffers into other buffers,
> he
> wants the copied text to be in grave style `like this' rather than in curve
> style ‘like this’.
> Here's one possible alternative to ‘text-quoting-style’ to address these
> three
> problems.
> (1) is fixed by using display tables to display curved quotes in grave style.
> (This has already been implemented and no change should be needed here.)
No good. Having different characters displayed from what's in the
buffer is a recipe for confusion, frustration, and anger.
> (2) is fixed by enabling character-fold-search. This isn't the default yet,
> due
> to a few problems with its implementation, but these should be fixable.
No it isn't. character-fold-search violates the KISS principle,
certainly for me personally. ASCII quotes and curly quotes are distinct
characters, and if I don't mind which one a search finds, I can put [`?]
into a regexp search.
> (3) could be fixed by transliterating quotes when they're yanked, if the user
> sets a variable to do this transliteration.
I'm not sure how this could work. Problem 3 doesn't concern me
personally, but it will definitely impact the generic user.
> This alternative would be superior to what we have now, because it would also
> work for info files (which aren't handled by Emacs's current scheme).
What's wrong with `text-quoting-style'? Why are you and Stefan so keen
to get rid of it?
--
Alan Mackenzie (Nuremberg, Germany).
- Re: text-quoting-style, (continued)
- Re: text-quoting-style, Stefan Monnier, 2015/08/28
- Re: text-quoting-style, Stefan Monnier, 2015/08/29
- Re: text-quoting-style, Alan Mackenzie, 2015/08/29
- Re: text-quoting-style, Stefan Monnier, 2015/08/29
- Re: text-quoting-style, Alan Mackenzie, 2015/08/30
- Re: text-quoting-style, Stefan Monnier, 2015/08/30
- Re: text-quoting-style, Paul Eggert, 2015/08/31
- Re: text-quoting-style,
Alan Mackenzie <=
- Re: text-quoting-style, Paul Eggert, 2015/08/31
- Re: text-quoting-style, Alan Mackenzie, 2015/08/31
- Re: text-quoting-style, Stefan Monnier, 2015/08/31
- Re: text-quoting-style, N. Jackson, 2015/08/31
- Re: text-quoting-style, Stefan Monnier, 2015/08/31
- Re: text-quoting-style, Paul Eggert, 2015/08/31
Re: text-quoting-style, David Kastrup, 2015/08/28