Re: Using file descriptors in Emacs

[Eli Zaretskii]

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> Date: Fri, 09 Sep 2016 16:38:16 -0400
> 
> >> Not as far as I know - what in my patches suggests that I need a pipe?
> >
> > A pipe is a set of 2 file descriptors between 2 programs, one of the
> > descriptors is used for reading by one program and writing by the
> > other, the other descriptor used similarly in the opposite direction.
> > Isn't that what you set up?
> >
> > If not, then I must be missing something, so please describe the data
> > flow between emacsclient, emacs server, and the external program.
> 
> There is not necessarily any external program. Even emacsclient can exit
> just fine once the file descriptors are passed in and a process object
> created from them.
> 
> Once a process object P is created, the data flow is as follows:
> 
> When emacs writes to P, emacs is directly writing to the file descriptor
> that emacsclient had as its stdout. It is literally calling "write" on
> the file descriptor that was/is emacsclient's stdout.
> 
> When emacs reads from P, emacs is directly reading from the file
> descriptor that emacsclient had as its stdin. It is literally calling
> "read" on the file descriptor that was/is emacsclient's stdin.

Emacs doesn't normally read or write from/to file descriptors.  The
only features that do such things are communications with
subprocesses, which could be either local subprocesses (in which case
Emacs talks to them via a pipe) or remote processes (in which case we
use network or serial connections).  One other kind of feature that
uses file descriptors is external data sources, such as D-Bus and
inotify, which are a kind of local process (the OS kernel or some
other daemon) that doesn't need to be run by Emacs, only communicated
with.

As we already have a framework for all of the above, what other kinds
of descriptors, which don't fit into the framework, would we like to
have?

> For example I would like to bring eshell up to par with other Unix
> shells, and the ability to manipulate file descriptors directly is
> pretty much required for that.

Please elaborate: how are file descriptors required for that?  A shell
needs to pass file descriptors to the subprocesses it invokes, which
AFAIK we already do in the primitives that invoke subprocesses.  What
else is needed, and how does the feature you propose fit into that?