Re: New Package for NonGNU-ELPA: clojure-ts-mode

[Jens Schmidt]

On 2023-08-31  20:17, Philip Kaludercic wrote:

Speaking as a relative newcomer - being active on emacs-devel since
May or so.  I'm not taking side here in any way, just describing my
experience.

> There comes a point where people have to accept that mailing lists
> aren't weird and unusable -- this is not a primarily technical problem.

Opening the MUA to compose a new mail is easy enough.  But then the
problems start: No HTML mail, please, no top-posting (which is corporate
standard), get your MUA to do decent line wrapping, do all these things
so that your mail on emacs-devel looks like the mails of all the others.
Also, you probably would like to use different identities for Emacs and
the rest of your mail, which adds more trouble.

A side note on "Too much traffic?  Just rely on CC!":  I did so when I
posted my first issue on the Org mailing list - and then started
wondering why communication stopped.  Well, somebody replied only to
the list, and it was rather cumbersome to set up a decent reply to join
that thread again.

What I'm trying to say here is: Email might look like it's easy to use,
but in the context of a mailing list it's not necessarily so, even from
the technical side.  These text entry boxes on Github et al. definitely
feel easier and more inviting to use.

> Some people are afraid of communicating with the mailing list or
> reporting bugs because of an image issue.  I have on more than one
> occasion heard of people who intentionally avoid communicating with
> emacs-devel due to bad experience.  Others fear sending a message out
> into the blue and not knowing who will read and respond to what they
> said, will they be shouted down or just ignored.

Exactly.  TBH I still have to assemble courage to post here.  All these
top dogs with their super-dry yet elaborate communication style are
surely, um, intimidating.  Po Lu's mails, to pick one example, are a
constant source of new English vocabulary for me (recent addition:
"brazen").  But at least RMS lets slip in some typos in his mails...

> What I think the Org project does well is the "This month in Org" line
> of posts, that help highlight contributions from newcomers and
> familiarise those familiar with a mailing list with the procedures going
> on here.

Mixing the "help" mailing list with the "devel" mailing list is another
things that makes Org more attractive to users, I guess.  It feels more
democratic.  But then, Org feels more bazaar-like, as a whole, and Emacs
more cathedral-like.