Re: [Orgmode] Keeping a wiki with org-mode

[Carsten Dominik]

On Jun 13, 2009, at 2:03 AM, Dan Davison wrote:

> Marcelo de Moraes Serpa <address@hidden> writes:
>
> > Thank you all for the replies,
> >
> > What I was suggesting is something like what WikiDPad does, a local
> > wiki-like KB. WikiDPad exposes a very agile workflow, where CameCased
> > words get automatically identified as wiki words and it automatically
> > create files in the filesystem with the name of the wikiword.
>
> Hi Marcelo,
>
> I just did a search of the mailing list for 'CamelCase' (search
> available on the org home page) and it shows that what support there  
> was
> for CamelCase-style links has always been unenthusiastic and was
> eventually removed from the core. I think people are happy with the
> current syntax for links, and as Sebastian and Eric have shown, we
> already have convenient commands for e.g. creating the links, and
> creating content in the file being linked to. However, as Carsten  
> points
> out in one of those threads, that's not to say someone couldn't add it
> as a contributed package.
>
> One of the posts thrown up by that search is by Taru Karttunen,
>
> http://article.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.orgmode/13050
>
> showing a line of perl that can help with converting existing camel  
> case
> links to org style. (For most normal people I imagine that it also
> provides a beneficial exercise in perl regexps.)


And if someone wanted it badly enough, I am sure it would not be hard
to implements CamelCase links as an add-on and use hooks to convert
these links to file: links for export.  I personally don;t like  
CamelCase
because is it unstable and will give bad results for MacArthur and
in many other cases.

- Carsten

> Dan
>
>
>
>
> > On Fri, Jun 12, 2009 at 6:26 PM, Sebastian  
> > Rose<address@hidden> wrote:
> > > Marcelo de Moraes Serpa <address@hidden> writes:
> > > > Hmm, I thought Worg was an approach on using org (in a distributed
> > > > manner, with the goal of contributing to the org-mode project  
> > > > itself)
> > > > instead of an extension to provide wiki-enhancements to org. Or  
> > > > am I
> > > > wrong?
> > >
> > >
> > > Worg is loosely realated to orgmode.org. We link back and forth, but
> > > stuff committed to Worg will always show up below orgmode.org/worg/.
> > >
> > > It's not a wiki though. We push to a common repo, and that repo is
> > > pulled (I think once an hour) and then exported on (or to??) the  
> > > server
> > > by emacs. That's how the site is kept up to date.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > On Fri, Jun 12, 2009 at 4:52 PM, Russell Adams<address@hidden 
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > I wonder what is the best way to implement a wiki with org? I  
> > > > > > know you
> > > > > > can hyperlink to anything, but what I was thinking was something
> > > > > > automatic, like what WikiDPad does or Tomboy -- like having  
> > > > > > wikiwords
> > > > > > (CamelCase) automatically linked as you type to a filename in the
> > > > > > system (a specific directory you specify for the wiki). If it  
> > > > > > is not
> > > > > > possible, it could be a nice addition for a future org version.
> > >
> > >
> > > There are no CamelCase links in Org-mode for a reason. But there is
> > > automatic link and page creation. I have no problem with this syntax
> > > here:
> > >
> > >   [[file:../relative/path.org][Look here]]
> > >
> > >   http://orgmode.org/worg
> > >   file:./file.png
> > >   file:somefile.org
> > >
> > >
> > > You can create the page simply by clicking on the (file) link or
> > > pressing `C-c C-o' while on it.
> > >
> > > You go back to the link with `C-x &' later on.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > And, automatic link creation can be done the other way round in
> > > Org-mode:
> > >
> > > If you visit an interesting place (a web page, email, man page...)  
> > > you
> > > store a link to that location, whenever you either `remember'  
> > > something,
> > > or through `C-c L', or click your org-remember bookmark, org-store- 
> > > link
> > > bookmark, org-open-source bookmark....
> > >
> > > In the `C-c L' case you may insert the link later on by pressing  
> > > `C-c
> > > C-l'. In case you clicked a `store-link' bookmark, simple yanking is
> > > enough.
> > >
> > > Hm - `C-c L' and remember are even more usefull. For emacs users  
> > > _very_
> > > usefull, since you may store usefull links to a place _inside_ a  
> > > source
> > > file to a file _inside_ a certain projects documentation/todo-file.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > But back to the wiki thing: why not use a WIKI when you need  
> > > one ????
> > >
> > >
> > > Org-mode is ready to generate online content, yes, but online  
> > > content is
> > > not ready to cope with full fledged org files (should be feasable,  
> > > but
> > > no one did it).
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Best wishes
> > >
> > >   Sebastian
> >
> >
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