Re: [O] org-ref: citation types (insert full citation); bib style; bib scope

[Matt Price]

On Fri, Jan 6, 2017 at 10:26 AM, John Kitchin <address@hidden> wrote:

Matt Price writes:

> After several years, I'm finally trying to move to bibtex from zotero,
> partly because org-zotxt has stopped working for me (both link insertion
> and html export seem at least temporarily broken).
>
> The UI for org-ref is pretty fantastic, and I love it. I'm having trouble
> getting the behaviour I want fro mthe actual links, though.  My needs may
> be somewhat atypical but I'm hoping someone else has figured these
> questions out already.
>
> * citation types
> The org-ref manual talks about different citation types, but the external
> link it suggests is not loading:
> http://ctan.unixbrain.com/macros/latex/contrib/natbib/natnotes.pdf

try: http://tug.ctan.org/macros/latex/contrib/natbib/natnotes.pdf

ok, thx.

>
> Does anyone know what the other options are? In particular, for the syllabi
> I'm currently creating I'd like to just insert the org-formatted citation
> information itself -- is this possible?

Can you give an example?

I htink I'm looking for something impossible.  org-zotxt allowed me to use a link type "citation", which just inserted the full citation in org syntax:

Hayles, K. (1999). /How we became posthuman: virtual bodies in cybernetics, literature, and informatics/. Chicago, Ill.: University of Chicago Press. [[http://search.library.utoronto.ca/details?7949488&uuid=5aaa42cf-ffd2-41e3-ac6b-60e649f9f289]]

rather than generating a link.  If I had an option to do this in my syllabi, it would greatly simplify my work flow.

 

> I'd like to be able to point my
> students directly to my github repo, and it will ultimately be more
> convenient to have the links already present in the source code, since
> github doesn't reoslve org-ref

What I mean is, that I'd like to stop building course websites and instead just point students to github repos where my docs live in an org format.  This means I reallywant the citatiion information, and not citation links.  E.g.:

https://github.com/titaniumbones/New113/blob/master/New113Syllabus.org#2017-01-26-thu-state-surveillance

>
> * bib style
> When I right-click on a link and select "copy the formatted citation", I
> don't get the URL field, which my students need. I assume that's because
> I'm not using the right bibliographic style. How do I set the citation
> format?  Would I use the bibliographystyle link, or a header argument
> somewhere?

Support for this is kind of rudimentary, because it is really difficult
to get properly formatted strings for all references.

When you click on a cite link and select copy formatted entry what
happens is the bibfile is opened to that entry and then the result of
org-ref-bib-citation is copied. It is pretty simple, and limited. At the
moment, I think helm-bibtex does the actual formatting if you load it,
and it does not appear to be customizable. See bibtex-completion-apa-format-reference

I will work on this a little bit and see if some improvements can be
made.

thanks you John!

>
> Also, is it possible to set this option to use org formatting instead of
> html formatting?

You could use a function like this on a link to get something more
customizable.

(defun better-formatted-citation ()
  (interactive)
  (kill-new (org-ref-get-bibtex-entry-citation (car (org-ref-get-bibtex-key-and-file)))))

see the variable org-ref-bibliography-entry-format, you can set this to
be whatever format you want.

ah, looks pretty simple, I should be able to do this.

>
> * Bibliography scope
> I guess I don't really know how to build a bibliographic file to go with a
> particular project.  At present I am using my full Zotero library exported
> to bibtex as a default. Is there a way to just build the bibliography from
> the set of sources cited in the paper?

M-x org-ref-extract-bibtex-entries should put a new heading in the buffer
with the relevant bibtex entries.

excellent, thank you!

 

>
> Thanks everyone, and of course especially John for this amazing tool.
>
> Matt

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