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Re: [Fsuk-manchester] Fwd: Event: Manchester Girl Geek Dinner #2 - 7:00
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Paul Waring |
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Re: [Fsuk-manchester] Fwd: Event: Manchester Girl Geek Dinner #2 - 7:00 PM Friday, July 25, 2008 |
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Tue, 29 Jul 2008 14:39:14 +0100 |
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On Tue, Jul 29, 2008 at 01:27:02PM +0100, Lucy wrote:
> Just because the exclusion isn't deliberate most of the time, doesn't
> do anything to lessen the exclusion itself.
I wasn't suggesting that it's less of an exclusion, merely that's
there's no intent behind it (well, maybe there is from some people, but
I don't think most geeks I know deliberately work to exclude women -
even if they do things which might unintentionally put women off). In
fact, if we go to the report you mentioned, on p.16 (section 4.1) it
says:
"The exclusion happens among people who often do not mean to appear, and
who do not interpret their own actions, as hostile to women."
Whilst I wouldn't advocate building an entire assumption round one quote
from a report, perhaps this lends a bit of weight to the suggestion that
women are not intentionally excluded from F/LOSS or IT in general.
Also, since people have brought up so many bad examples, I would like to
at least point to one positive one - in my lab/office the gender balance
is exactly 50:50, the most senior research associate is female, the
research lead (her line manager) is male and his line manager is female.
I don't know if we do something particularly special (we do concentrate
on human-centred research, which might appeal to women more than other
aspects of IT), but we've got an almost perfect gender balance whilst
selecting people based on merit.
Paul
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Paul Waring
http://www.pwaring.com
- Re: [Fsuk-manchester] Fwd: Event: Manchester Girl Geek Dinner #2 - 7:00 PM Friday, July 25, 2008, (continued)
- Re: [Fsuk-manchester] Fwd: Event: Manchester Girl Geek Dinner #2 - 7:00 PM Friday, July 25, 2008, Lucy, 2008/07/27
- Re: [Fsuk-manchester] Fwd: Event: Manchester Girl Geek Dinner #2 - 7:00 PM Friday, July 25, 2008, MJ Ray, 2008/07/27
- Re: [Fsuk-manchester] Fwd: Event: Manchester Girl Geek Dinner #2 - 7:00 PM Friday, July 25, 2008, Paul Robinson, 2008/07/28
- Re: [Fsuk-manchester] Fwd: Event: Manchester Girl Geek Dinner #2 - 7:00 PM Friday, July 25, 2008, Paul Waring, 2008/07/28
- Re: [Fsuk-manchester] Fwd: Event: Manchester Girl Geek Dinner #2 - 7:00 PM Friday, July 25, 2008, Lucy, 2008/07/28
- Re: [Fsuk-manchester] Fwd: Event: Manchester Girl Geek Dinner #2 - 7:00 PM Friday, July 25, 2008, Matt Lee, 2008/07/28
- Re: [Fsuk-manchester] Fwd: Event: Manchester Girl Geek Dinner #2 - 7:00 PM Friday, July 25, 2008, MJ Ray, 2008/07/29
- Re: [Fsuk-manchester] Fwd: Event: Manchester Girl Geek Dinner #2 - 7:00 PM Friday, July 25, 2008, Dave Page, 2008/07/29
- Re: [Fsuk-manchester] Fwd: Event: Manchester Girl Geek Dinner #2 - 7:00 PM Friday, July 25, 2008, Paul Waring, 2008/07/29
- Re: [Fsuk-manchester] Fwd: Event: Manchester Girl Geek Dinner #2 - 7:00 PM Friday, July 25, 2008, Lucy, 2008/07/29
- Re: [Fsuk-manchester] Fwd: Event: Manchester Girl Geek Dinner #2 - 7:00 PM Friday, July 25, 2008,
Paul Waring <=
- Re: [Fsuk-manchester] Fwd: Event: Manchester Girl Geek Dinner #2 - 7:00 PM Friday, July 25, 2008, Lucy, 2008/07/29
- Re: [Fsuk-manchester] Fwd: Event: Manchester Girl Geek Dinner #2 - 7:00 PM Friday, July 25, 2008, MJ Ray, 2008/07/29
- Re: [Fsuk-manchester] Fwd: Event: Manchester Girl Geek Dinner #2 - 7:00 PM Friday, July 25, 2008, Paul Waring, 2008/07/29
- Re: [Fsuk-manchester] Fwd: Event: Manchester Girl Geek Dinner #2 - 7:00 PM Friday, July 25, 2008, Lucy, 2008/07/29
- Re: [Fsuk-manchester] Fwd: Event: Manchester Girl Geek Dinner #2 - 7:00 PM Friday, July 25, 2008, Paul Robinson, 2008/07/29
- Re: [Fsuk-manchester] Fwd: Event: Manchester Girl Geek Dinner #2 - 7:00 PM Friday, July 25, 2008, Lucy, 2008/07/29
- Re: [Fsuk-manchester] Fwd: Event: Manchester Girl Geek Dinner #2 - 7:00 PM Friday, July 25, 2008, Paul Robinson, 2008/07/29
- Re: [Fsuk-manchester] Fwd: Event: Manchester Girl Geek Dinner #2 - 7:00 PM Friday, July 25, 2008, MJ Ray, 2008/07/29
- Re: [Fsuk-manchester] Fwd: Event: Manchester Girl Geek Dinner #2 - 7:00 PM Friday, July 25, 2008, Lucy, 2008/07/29
- Re: [Fsuk-manchester] Fwd: Event: Manchester Girl Geek Dinner #2 - 7:00 PM Friday, July 25, 2008, Paul Waring, 2008/07/29