Re: [GNU-linux-libre] Re: Freedom issues with non-free firmware in external files

[Daniel Olivera]

Yavor Doganov escribió:
> Mgg wrote:
>> On Fri 14 Aug 2009 15:08:18 Rubén Rodríguez Pérez wrote:
>>> I think that a program that needs a proprietary piece to work is
>>> not free software, even if it is GPL'd.
>> a too opresive view
> 
> I disagree; this is the view of the free software movement.  What are
> the "oppressive" bits here?  A GPL'ed program that relies on non-free
> software to function properly is free software, but it's useless in
> the Free World.  Hence, we should not distribute such programs.
> 
> There are many past and present examples of these:
> 
>   * The KDE stack when Qt was proprietary software;
>   * Any free Java program that relied on classes not implemented in
>     GCJ/Classpath, before Sun made their implementation free software.
>   * Lots of free Mac OS X/Cocoa programs that rely on classes/methods
>     that are not implemented in GNUstep;
>   * A free device driver that relies on non-free firmware to operate.
> 
> 
> 
> 

Now we reject a gpl-2 software?

If this software have 4 liberties is free software.

Becuse

we can use this software
we can access to source code
we can change this software
we can distribute modified copies

if this 4 liberties are in any software software is free according to
FSF definition.

User can be anything with this software even don't use it.

But if license is GPL-2 is GPL-2!

If this gpl-2 software is not operative is not our problem.

Under this condition.

Any GNU/Linux systems is not free software, even fully free distribution.
Because any user can install non-free software like Google Earth or
codeweavers with internet explorer or with microsoft office so easy..

We need block software instalation also to prevent it??

That is insane!


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