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Re: [Gnustep-marketing] GNUstep Foundation
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MJ Ray |
Subject: |
Re: [Gnustep-marketing] GNUstep Foundation |
Date: |
Fri, 01 Oct 2004 10:46:41 +0100 |
On 2004-10-01 04:59:17 +0100 Gregory John Casamento
<address@hidden> wrote:
--- MJ Ray <address@hidden> wrote:
On 2004-09-30 17:03:26 +0100 Gregory John Casamento
<address@hidden> wrote:
I can... Because it would be managed by people who have little to
do >
with the
actual GNUstep project.
Huh? I would expect that to make the Foundation less legitimate in
most
people's eyes.
I'm not sure I understand what you're saying here. My point is that
by
keeping
it with the maintainers of GNUstep itself, that it will be *more*
legitimate.
This seems the opposite of your previous position to me.
If the FSF runs it, they may not care about it as much as those
directly
involved would.
Why do so many keep arguing against a proposal no-body made? I'm
suggesting using FSF to accept the money, pay the bills and do the
bureaucracy which comes from being a corporation. I am not suggesting
letting FSF run the marketing effort or much else that people are
arguing against. Please all try to stay on-topic.
This may not be possible, but it looks like no-one had even researched
whether it is before supporting Alex Perez's statement "we need a
GNUstep Foundation so we can handle money". If I've got that wrong,
please point me at the documentation.
If visibility is the concern, does this need to be "GNUstep >>
Foundation"
rather than "GNUstep Marketing Foundation" or "GNUstep Promotion
Association"?
Similar to the GNOME Foundation and the Apache Foundation, yes it >
does.
Why? Just to ape GNOME?
No. Actually... if you had read the post I made previously, I said
we want to
have a different structure than the GNOME Foundation as they
sometimes suffer
from "design by committee".
Why does my reading your previous post change what you said? Are you
just being rude and trying to suggest "this chap can't understand
email"? If so, tough: I do understand it, but the structure is not
strongly related to the name, other than as a suggestion of its aims.
As for the name, I don't know how I would feel about something named
"GNUstep
Marketing Foundation" or "The Foundation For the Promotion of
GNUstep".
"GNUstep Foundation" seems appropriate to me.
It depends what its aims are, but I suspect "GNUstep Marketing
Association" is a better description of what we're trying to do.
I'm surprised that paying developers and contracting with outside
companies has been mentioned as an expected function. Won't this
foundation be directing development by specifying those contracts? Are
you opposed to that?
I worry that marketing is trying to lead development, instead of
assisting
it. My question about verifying the suggested problems has gone
unanswered
as yet.
This was my concern. *PLEASE* read the previous post. [...]
You claim you're concerned, but if you are, *PLEASE* reply to my
previous post about testing marketing hypotheses.
[...] The foundation shall oversee ONLY the funds
necessary to further GNUstep promotion and, possibly, be used to
contract with
outside companies to help GNUstep improve.
If handling funds is its only role, it seems a good idea to
investigate other host organisations before blindly creating another
and having the administrative overhead hit our funds.
--
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- Re: [Gnustep-marketing] GNUstep Foundation, Gregory John Casamento, 2004/10/01
- Re: [Gnustep-marketing] GNUstep Foundation,
MJ Ray <=
- Re: [Gnustep-marketing] GNUstep Foundation, Gregory John Casamento, 2004/10/01
- Re: [Gnustep-marketing] GNUstep Foundation, MJ Ray, 2004/10/01
- Re: [Gnustep-marketing] GNUstep Foundation, Alex Perez, 2004/10/01
- Re: [Gnustep-marketing] GNUstep Foundation, MJ Ray, 2004/10/01
- Re: [Gnustep-marketing] GNUstep Foundation, Gregory John Casamento, 2004/10/01
- Re: [Gnustep-marketing] GNUstep Foundation, MJ Ray, 2004/10/01
- Re: [Gnustep-marketing] GNUstep Foundation, Gregory John Casamento, 2004/10/01
- Re: [Gnustep-marketing] GNUstep Foundation, MJ Ray, 2004/10/01