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Mutable top-level bindings (was: vectors are something else)
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Chris K. Jester-Young |
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Mutable top-level bindings (was: vectors are something else) |
Date: |
Wed, 17 Apr 2013 11:29:11 -0400 |
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Mutt/1.5.20 (2009-06-14) |
On Mon, Apr 15, 2013 at 10:00:55PM -0400, Mark H Weaver wrote:
> Unfortunately, this is rarely possible in a language like Scheme, where
> calls to procedures bound by mutable top-level variables are frequent.
> We cannot fix this without making most commonly-used top-level bindings
> immutable. Last I checked, there was strong resistance to this idea.
Maybe it's time to reopen this (and hope it's not a can of worms). :-)
With a proper module system, I don't see why top-level bindings should
be mutable. That would make even things like direct inlining of cons or
+ somewhat harder than it needs to be. The way I understand it, the
definition of (@ (guile) cons) or the like should not be subject to
change at runtime. If people want to change the behaviour of cons, write
a module that replaces the top-level binding.
Yes, this does disable the ability to perform monkey-patching. I don't
see this as a big loss, but perhaps there are legitimate use cases for
monkey-patching that I haven't thought of.
Another thing we will need to provide is define-values, which allows you
to make top-level bindings that are mutually-recursive. By which I mean:
(define-values (foo bar baz)
(letrec ((foo ...)
(bar ...)
(baz ...))
(values foo bar baz)))
This would obviate the need to use the following pattern:
(define foo #f)
(define bar #f)
(define baz #f)
(letrec ((my-foo ...)
(my-bar ...)
(my-baz ...))
(set! foo my-foo)
(set! bar my-bar)
(set! baz my-baz))
Granted, there are existing modules that use that approach currently, as
we don't currently have define-values. But I think it should be possible
to annotate individual modules as having immutable top-level bindings,
so that we can gradually migrate modules to the define-values style.
Cheers,
Chris.
- Re: vectors are something else, (continued)
Re: vectors are something else, Mark H Weaver, 2013/04/15
Mutable top-level bindings (was: vectors are something else),
Chris K. Jester-Young <=
Re: Mutable top-level bindings, Mark H Weaver, 2013/04/17
Re: Mutable top-level bindings, Ian Price, 2013/04/17
Re: Mutable top-level bindings, Ludovic Courtès, 2013/04/20