Re: gnunet-fs integration

[ng0]

address@hidden writes:

> Hi,
>
> Ludovic Courtès writes:
>
>> Hello,
>>
>> address@hidden skribis:
>>
>>> While I'm still new to guile and guix, one of my main motivations
>>> since I started contributing to guix was an item on the end of
>>> the roadmap, using a decentralized system to distribute updates.
>>
>> I think many of us dream of such a thing.  :-)
>>
>>> At the moment I assume that the following items and steps are
>>> what's left to get closer to this system:
>>>
>>> 1. an up to date GNUnet
>>>    a. 0.10.1 of gnunet-fs is not compatible to 0.9,
>>>       gnunet-svn of gnunet-fs is not compatible to 0.10.1
>>>       https://gnunet.org/bot/log/gnunet/2016-06-23#T1067897
>>
>> Unfortunately GNUnet hasn’t seen any release since April 2014, which I
>> find worrying.
>
> Work is done towards 0.10.2, there are just some bugtickets left
> but I can assure you that work is happening regulary and its
> alive and well :)
> I take the current incompabilities between 0.10.1 and svn in
> consideration with the writing of the distributing system. from
> what I know, I think it will be fixed with the release of 0.10.2
>
> https://gnunet.org/bugs/roadmap_page.php
> I'm fairly positive that 0.10.2 will be released soon, but I'll
> ask Christian if there's a new ETA now.
> Mantis says for gnunet 303 of 308 issue(s) resolved. Progress
> (98%). for gnunet-gtk: 100% for 0.10.2
>
>> It may be worth considering other options such as IPFS and Bittorrent,
>> even though they obviously have different properties.

There's also a discussion/open bug about finding a system for more
regular tarball releases of gnunet builds. As you might or might not
know, the release is equal to a certain revision in the svn of
gnunet.org with no additional changes.

There was a discussion on this (ipfs) recently on psyced.org. This is
public and can be found after accessing psyced.org chatserver with
"/hist 500" or "+hist 500" depending on your client and the lines said
after I wrote this email.
The tl;dr is that ipfs lacks the anonymity gnunet-fs can offer, but
communication between development teams does happen from time to time or
is desired. For my use case it does not matter how well furbished the UI
of it is, Guix users will never be exposed to gnunet-download, gnunet-fs,
gnunet-gtk etc unless they choose so on their own.

I can't point to concrete papers at the moment (preoccupied with the
operation in 2 hours), but overall I know that choosing gnunet-fs, from
the papers I've read and the people I've discussed with, the publishing
and downloading of files will be secure and anonymous.

> That's true, but I chose gnunet-fs because I have more insight
> and participation in gnunet than in bittorrent or ipfs.
> For bittorrent I'd even consider the trackerless torrent variant
> which is popular now.
> But my main motivation is gnunet, which I will base this upon.
>
>>> 2. GNUnet system service for shepherd
>>>    a. it needs a basic service to start with, ideally we
>>>       provide what gnunet-setup does through an extended
>>>       system-service later on
>>
>> This would be could.  I discussed it with tg(x) in November but never
>> took the time to actually do it.
>>
>>> 3. stitching together the guile GNUnet bindings
>>>    with additions to mechanisms which are
>>>    at least guix {publish,pull,package}.
>>
>> Note that Rémi, who worked on this for GSoC, posted prototypes for the
>> publish and substitute code (along with the bindings themselves, which
>> are available as the ‘guile-gnunet’ package in Guix.)  It’s probably a
>> good idea to revive them and see how far you can get.
>
> Oh, I did not read everything of it all yet.
> I added one more optional item to my list, which is add a method
> for (source (origin)) to make use of the two relevant hash
> methods which gnunet-fs uses.
>
> If it was just for me, I'd not use 0.10.1 and go
> straight for -svn pinned to a version and switch to 0.10.2 once
> it is released, but I'd like to test and look for possibilities
> to stay compatible. Maybe an 0.10.2 release happens while I write
> this.
>
>> Glad to see more work in this area!
>>
>> Ludo’.
>

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