Re: [outreachy] am I in the right track to contribute

[Gábor Boskovits]

Hello Laura,

Laura Lazzati <address@hidden> ezt írta (időpont: 2018.
okt. 11., Cs, 21:58):
>
> On Thu, Oct 11, 2018 at 2:05 PM Gábor Boskovits <address@hidden> wrote:
> >
> > Hello Laura,
> >
> > Laura Lazzati <address@hidden> ezt írta (időpont: 2018.
> > okt. 11., Cs, 16:32):
> > >
> > > On Thu, Oct 11, 2018 at 6:24 AM Gábor Boskovits <address@hidden> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Hello Laura,
> > > >
> > > > Laura Lazzati <address@hidden> ezt írta (időpont: 2018. okt. 11., Cs, 
> > > > 3:25):
> > > > >
> > > > > On Wed, Oct 10, 2018 at 3:12 PM Gábor Boskovits <address@hidden> 
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Hello Laura,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Laura Lazzati <address@hidden> ezt írta (időpont: 2018. okt. 10., 
> > > > > > Sze 18:41):
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> On Tue, Oct 9, 2018 at 1:17 PM Björn Höfling
> > > > > >> <address@hidden> wrote:
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >> > Hi Laura,
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >> > On Tue, 9 Oct 2018 10:08:44 -0300
> > > > > >> > Laura Lazzati <address@hidden> wrote:
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >> > > Hi everyone!
> > > > > >> > >
> > > > > >> > > I don't know if is it OK to be telling you what I am/ I've 
> > > > > >> > > been doing
> > > > > >> > > these days, I kind of like doing so to have feedback, and also 
> > > > > >> > > to let
> > > > > >> > > you know
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >> > This is exactly the way to go! It's good to hear where you stay, 
> > > > > >> > what
> > > > > >> > you tried, where you succeeded, where you got stuck. If you get 
> > > > > >> > stuck,
> > > > > >> > tell us about the paths you already tried out and why you don't 
> > > > > >> > get
> > > > > >> > further alone.
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >> Sorry for being absent for a day. After updating and upgrading my
> > > > > >> computer, I am stuck trying to see why the sound stopped working. 
> > > > > >> Yes,
> > > > > >> this kind of thinks happen but just now?
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > No worries, one day off is perfectly ok, however if you did not get 
> > > > > > an answer in 3 or 4 days, then please contact us, since in that 
> > > > > > case there is some communications mistake.
> > > > > > Last time losing sound happened to me after a dist-upgrade in 
> > > > > > ubuntu, and turned out, that the pulseaudio package shipped with a 
> > > > > > configuration that was not compatible with the version of the 
> > > > > > binaries supplied. I ran it in the foreground, and in the startup 
> > > > > > messages or in the log I found that it could not parse the config. 
> > > > > > It can be something entirely different though. I hope this helps.
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks :) Unluckily i made a mistake and ended up needing  a fresh
> > > > > install. But I am the kind of person that always has data backup and
> > > > > is aware of the software and utilities that needs. Tomorrow I will go
> > > > > on with my VMs, the one with only Guix, and one with GuixSD and start
> > > > > with the package stuff, so that I can contribute as much as I can,
> > > > > even if I am not chosen for outreachy.
> > > >
> > > > Sorry to hear that, but glad that you did not suffer any data loss.
> > > > Having the VMs back by tomorrow is nice, thanks for the update.
> > > Luckily yesterday I ended up late at night and found that I could
> > > import my VM with Ubuntu guest with guix running. I do have a
> > > question. I use Virtualbox, and Downloaded the .iso file of GuixSD, I
> > > have just installed the VM for GuixSD in VirtualBox - I read that in
> > > the documentation it is mentioned to use quemu- but strangely I
> > > managed to install it without any problems in VirtualBox with the .iso
> > >  I made the internet connection work, because the interfacewas down,
> > > running other commands not shown in  the documentation, now I have it
> > > strangely in state unknown but tried ping and works.
> > > https://www.gnu.org/software/guix/manual/en/html_node/Preparing-for-Installation.html#Preparing-for-Installation
> > > (I am writing down in my daily journal everything I am encountering, )
> > > I have even found that I cannot run shutdown -h now, don't know why
> > > tried shutdown --help and it does not show the option, or read
> > > manpages, or fin where .bash_history is located.
> >
> > shutdown is handled by shepherd on GuixSD, and it does not have these
> > options. You can try simply shutdown or halt.
> > .bash_history on my GuixSD system is located in ~/.bash_history, as
> > expected. Also on my GuixSD system system
> > man pages work as expected. Are you facing these issues in the
> > installation image?
> >
> > It is nice that you managed using VirtualBox. I am not suprised that
> > it works, but worth a mention in the documentation
> > I think. You wrote that you have a question, what is it?
> >
> I guess the question was all what I wrote, without putting it as a
> question. I don't know why but now manpages work, while the internet
> connection is down again (shutted down the machine with halt). Before
> that, I recall the info command, and started using it. And the problem
> with not finding .bash_history was being used to ll in Ubuntu,
> forgetting that ll is an alias for ls -laF. I realized that after
> doing a find and  trying ls -ltra, and remembering working with other
> distros. But my mail was already sent.
> Does modifying the documentation counts also as a contribution? I
> mean, I do not intend to only do so, but I don't know where to start.
> If documenting, if packaging R, seing the issue with clojure (I've
> never used clojure before), keep playing with GuixSD, please, let me
> know what is better.

Sorry if this is confusing. I should have communicated much clearer.

Please do the packaging first, as these types of contributions go the
fastest.

Yes, documentation changes count as a contribution, but
usually go slower, as more discussion is involved.

The clojure issue is not an urgent one, it is only a convenience thing,
so you don't need to work on it.

Playing with GuixSD will definitely pay out well later, but you can't
register it as a contribution, so I would do that later if I were you.

Do you notice the internet connection going down after you have installed
GuixSD? (On the installation image the connection is down on boot)

> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> > One thing that was today on the Outreachy mentors-mailinglist: 
> > > > > >> > If you
> > > > > >> > finally made a contribution, please go directly on the Outreachy
> > > > > >> > project page, select the Guix project and formally record your
> > > > > >> > contributions. That's important to us and for the whole Outreachy
> > > > > >> > project to see who/how many applicants are possible candidates 
> > > > > >> > for a
> > > > > >> > project
> > > > > If I do the R packaging, where do I record in Guix? And I am keeping
> > > > > my daily journal with the problems I encounter, but I am not very sure
> > > > > about where to upload it for Guix. As regards my daily journal. is it
> > > > > OK to hace it in Google Drive? I know its FOSS, but it's a good way of
> > > > > easily updating the doc and having it accesible. And in outreachy it
> > > > > says that Refining current documentation is a contribution too. I
> > > > > don't know if this applies also to problems I encounter and how I
> > > > > managed to solve them.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > If you have a working package, and you followed the contribution guide, 
> > > > you got to the part
> > > > where you can send your patch. The debbugs issue tracker creates an 
> > > > issue for the patches
> > > > sent to address@hidden These patches are then reviewed, we will give 
> > > > you feedback,
> > > > and when it is in a shape to include it in guix, we will accept it, 
> > > > upstream the changes and close
> > > > the issue. This completes the contibution. Then you will have to record 
> > > > this on the Outreachy site.
> > > > https://www.outreachy.org/apply/
> > > >  in this point:
> > > > 4. Record in-progress contributions on the Outreachy website. You'll 
> > > > need to go to the community landing page linked from the projects 
> > > > listing page. Then click the 'Record Contribution' button. Add links 
> > > > and descriptions to your contributions and the project timeline before 
> > > > the application deadline. You can always go back and edit your recorded 
> > > > contributions. A contribution doesn't have to be merged or accepted to 
> > > > be recorded.
> > > > describes the process.
> > > > Note that you can record the contibution while it is still in progress.
> > >
> > > Maybe it is because I'm kind of sleepy, but I dont understand very
> > > well this part. Should I be recording an in progress contribution
> > > without having sent it to you first? Or after sending it to the guix
> > > patches mail without receiving the feedback?>
> >
> > I guess you need to reference the contribution somehow, so I believe
> > the earilest you should try recording the contribution is after it
> > gets an issue assigned, so you can use the issue URL as a refence.
> > A patch gets an issue assigned after you send a mail to the
> > guix-patches list. You will receive a response that tells the e-mail
> > address where further communication should go regarding that patch.
> > For an example see: http://issues.guix.info/issue/32709
> > (it is tagged as easy by the way, if you would like to give it a try)
> >
> > I can accept your contribution when the patch gets upstream, and the
> > issue is closed. We usually close an issue by metioning the commit
> > (and also the branch) where it made upstream.
> >
> > > > You can get faster responses if you CC your mentors to the message sent 
> > > > to guix-patches, so that we can notice the incoming patch.
> > > >
> > > > For now I suggest sending the notes with the difficulties encountered 
> > > > in a mail to the devel list, accompanied with suggestions on how to 
> > > > clarify the relevant parts of the documentation. Documentation changes 
> > > > tend to take longer, as it usually involves community discussion, but 
> > > > you can get this started. You can keep your private copy of these on 
> > > > google drive, and it is possible to create a git repo somewhere to keep 
> > > > track of a file with these, preferably an org mode text document.
> > > > WDYT?
> > > Yes,  for me it is OK. I have an account in bitbucket, but because it
> > > allows me to have private repos without having to pay extra for that -
> > > most people here use github. Is it ok to use it even it is not FOSS? I
> > > was reading what an org mode text document is. I know about people
> > > arguing about emacs-vi. Do I need to install emacs for that? I have
> > > always been a vi-vim user. Don't mind installing it, or using another
> > > repo, but please let me know.
> >
> > Actually installing emacs is not required, but recommended, as it is
> > very well integrated with guile and guix.
> > Org mode is a good way to keep things organized, but it is not a
> > requirement either. (But once I tried it was
> > a never look back experience for me.) You can try vim-orgmode for
> > basic org mode functionality.
> > If you are ok with having a repo on gitlab it would be nice. It is
> > FOSS, and it allows you to have private
> > repos without having to pay extra for that :) I've moved just recently
> > from github there. (And also a lot of my colleagues.)
> >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > See the "Application Setup" section in the manual, for more info.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >> > > I installed guix on a VM with an Ubuntu distro and it worked 
> > > > > >> > > fine - i
> > > > > >> > > ran some basic commands.
> > > > > >> > >  I am trying to install GuixSD over that VM too and on bare 
> > > > > >> > > metal -
> > > > > >> > > don't know if this two steps are necessary, but looking at the 
> > > > > >> > > tasks
> > > > > >> > > for Outreachy one items says that I will be doing 
> > > > > >> > > documentation for
> > > > > >> > > it.
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >> > Concerning bare metal: Guix uses 100% Free Software und thus 
> > > > > >> > uses the
> > > > > >> > libre kernel, not the normal vanilla kernel. That means some 
> > > > > >> > binaries
> > > > > >> > included in the vanilla kernel are stripped off. Hickups might 
> > > > > >> > occur,
> > > > > >> > especially with Network, WLAN and Graphics, compared to Ubuntu.
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >> I thought that by installing bare metal ment installing it on a VM
> > > > > >> without any operating system. I mean, putting the ISO there. I only
> > > > > >> have one retro PC available with no OS where I could be trying 
> > > > > >> that -
> > > > > >> it is like 13 years old, and it is not a laptop.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > It is ok to skip that all together, a VM install is more than 
> > > > > > enough for now.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >> > As always before installing a new OS, make backups of your data 
> > > > > >> > and
> > > > > >> > configurations on that machine!
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >> > > 1) should I write, at least for myself, the problems I've been
> > > > > >> > > encountering in the whole process of doing everything?
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >> > Yes, very good! I do that for myself too. It leads to good, 
> > > > > >> > reproducible
> > > > > >> > bug reports, bug fixes, documentation fixes, blog entries and 
> > > > > >> > could also
> > > > > >> > be used as a starting point for a screenplay for the videos.
> > > > > >> Love doing this kind of things.
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >> > Björn
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Best regards,
> > > > > > g_bor
> > > >
> > > > Best regards,
> > > > g_bor
> > Best regards,
> > g_bor
> Regards!
> Laura
Best regards,
g_bor