Re: Ordering and cfengine 3 (was RE: Is this quirky for a simple copy, editfiles operation?)

[Ed Brown]

Wouldn't Brendan's idea of multiple passes, well, converge quicker, than
waiting for multiple runs of cfengine to catch up with 'uncleared' class
definitions?

-Ed


On Fri, 2005-05-13 at 11:39, Moore, Joe wrote:
>  On Behalf Of Tim Nelson
> >     The above makes sense to me.  But say I have things 
> > that are in a 
> > particular order at the moment, how will I be able to ensure 
> > that they're 
> > still ordered with cfengine 3?
> 
> Just throwing something out here, but if the system state is dependant
> on a particular ordering, doesn't that say something about the
> convergence of those rules?
> 
> I guess what I'm saying is: "Why does ordering matter in a convergent
> system?"[0] -- we know we'll run the shellcommands sometime during the
> next cfengine pass/invocation (to restart inetd, for example).
> Convergence guarentees that after this pass, the system will be in a
> "better" configuration.
> 
> The trouble comes in that state is not preserved across cfengine
> invokations.  The restart_inetd class that's defined when you editfiles
> /etc/inetd.conf won't be defined the next time cfengine runs.
> 
> So one option for cfengine3 could be to preserve more state, and have
> actions explicitly clear that state...  idea: classes that are defined
> by an action (using the new "set" keyword) are kept until they are
> cleared.  (this might be implemented by a state DB or by giving them to
> cfenvd)
> 
> <conceptcode>
>       editfiles:
>               { /etc/inetd.conf
>                       AppendIfNoSuchLine "#Hello World"
>                       set=restart_inetd
>               }
>       shellcommands:
>               restart_inetd::
>                       "/etc/init.d/inetd restart" clear=restart_inetd
> </conceptcode>
> 
> --Joe
> 
> [0] Traugott et al.'s
> http://www.infrastructures.org/papers/turing/turing.html notwithstanding
> 
> 
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