Re: Emacs 21.3.50 on Mac OSX 10.2.2

[Ajanta]

Stefan Monnier <foo@acm.com> wrote:

> >>>>> "Ajanta" == Ajanta  <ajanta@no.spam> writes:
> > 1. There seem to be *three* executables of identical size (my disk is
> > not full, but why waste 16MB if one doesn't have to?):
> > /Applications/Emacs.app/Contents/MacOS/Emacs*
> > /Applications/Emacs.app/Contents/Resources/bin/emacs*
> > /Applications/Emacs.app/Contents/Resources/bin/emacs-21.3.50*
> 
> Check their inodes: they should be hardlinks and thus wasting even less
> space than symlinks.

I am not familar with inodes. However, I do remember that the dir size
decreases by 16MB when I moved the files out. I played around like that
and the disk space seemed real. Anyway, why do we need three
executables two of which seem to do nothing?

> What kind of machine are you running this on ?

Powerbook, 10.2.2, a few weeks old.

> I ask because my machine is about 6 years old by now and yet 50MB of
> disk space is not a big concern.  This is not just rhetorical: the
> version 21.3.50 you're using is significantly larger than 21.2 and
> this was the result of a conscious decision, so I'd be interested to hear
> of how serious a problem it might be.

I don't have a space crunch yet. I just want to get in to the habit of
not accumulating things that aren't needed. In the release 21.3.50,
Emacs.app is approx 120MB.

> > 3. When running emacs, "preference" panel in toolbar is broken.
> 
> It is generally safe to assume that "broken" is a hopelessly useless
> characterization of a behavior.  Please expand.

It is "unhighlighted" in the mac style. You can't open the panel.

> > 4. The window is normal video (black text on white background).
> > I would prefer reverse video (white text on black background) ... 
> Maybe the -rv option ?  Otherwise, M-x customize-face RET default RET
> and change the foreground/background colors.

Don't know how to give the -rv option when I am clicking on an icon in
the dock, which is how I'd mostly run this program. In most mac-style
apps I would expect to set such things in a Preferences panel. Anyway,
I'll try the customize-face way that you  suggested.

A
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Matt Armstrong <matt@lickey.com> writes:

> Is there a way to get "true" word wrap in emacs?  I.e. not
> auto-fill-mode and not (setq truncate-lines nil), but something
> similar to (setq truncate-lines nil) that wraps the display on word
> boundaries.
> 
> The dominance of Visual C++'s ability to do this in its editor has
> made 80 column source code a rarity where I work.  :-(

I'm not sure but you might be thinking of the fact that many editors
move by screen lines instead of logical lines. That really helps when
you have lines that are wrapping 3 or 4 times. However having code
wrap on words instead of in the middle of them doesn't make THAT much
of a difference.

I don't know if emacs has a mode for moving by screen lines instead of
logical lines. But if it doesn't it shouldn't be too hard to
implement.

Bijan
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I am deeply appreciative of all the feedback and truly helpful answers.
Thank you all very much indeed. I have decided, actually made a short
list, as follows:

1. One spends a lot of time with the editor, so it is one personal
attachment I have and that happens to be Emacs. I am keeping the
terminal Emacs (21.1) that came with my OSX distribution, but will try
the GUI one too. I have a few questions; I posted those under a
different subject "Emacs 21.3.50 on Mac OSX 10.2.2".

2. For the time being at least I wont get X11 but will try to work with
the native aqua/quartz/display-pdf.

3. I'll get Gerben Wierda's teTeX. I'll probably use command line
pdftex but I'll also try TeXShop. In addition, I will try previe-latex,
auctex, reftex combo recoomended by a few posters.

4. I have noted the recommendations for diagrams but I'm going to
revisit this issue later, after I have gotten the basic setup going. 

A
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Miles Bader <miles@gnu.org> writes:

> Matt Armstrong <matt@lickey.com> writes:
>> something similar to (setq truncate-lines nil) that wraps the display
>> on word boundaries.
>> 
>> The dominance of Visual C++'s ability to do this in its editor has
>> made 80 column source code a rarity where I work.  :-(
>
> Surely line-wrapped source-code looks like crap, regardless of whether
> it's wrapped on character- or word-boundaries!

This is also for viewing various text files edited by Mac/Windows
programs that like to think that paragraphs and not lines are
terminated by end of line characters.  Really, there is no fundamental
reason why Emacs shouldn't support editing like this.

> Or does Visual C++ do something more clever, like correctly
> indenting line-wrapped source-code according to the context?  That
> would be sort of cool, but pretty hard to implement...

That'd be way too cool for Visual C++...  ;-)
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new2osx <new2osx@no.spam> writes:

> I am deeply appreciative of all the feedback and truly helpful answers.
> Thank you all very much indeed. I have decided, actually made a short
> list, as follows:
> 
> 1. One spends a lot of time with the editor, so it is one personal
> attachment I have and that happens to be Emacs. I am keeping the
> terminal Emacs (21.1) that came with my OSX distribution, but will try
> the GUI one too. I have a few questions; I posted those under a
> different subject "Emacs 21.3.50 on Mac OSX 10.2.2".
> 
> 2. For the time being at least I wont get X11 but will try to work with
> the native aqua/quartz/display-pdf.
> 
> 3. I'll get Gerben Wierda's teTeX. I'll probably use command line
> pdftex but I'll also try TeXShop. In addition, I will try previe-latex,
> auctex, reftex combo recoomended by a few posters.

preview-latex will not run with a terminal Emacs.  And it may well be
that it may work just with X11: I do not know to what degree image
support would by now be included in the Cocoa version.

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I have a problem with a function as value for the help-echo property (I'm not
sure if this is a bug or if i have not understood the help-echo stuff right?!)

Please do the following test (I'm using NTEmacs 21.2. with Windows XP):

1. Start a vanilla Emacs with "emacs -q -no-site-file"

2. Evaluate the following small code in the *scratch* buffer:

(defun klaus-insert-line (text)
  (let ((p (point)))
    (insert text)
    (put-text-property p (+ p (length text)) 'mouse-face 'highlight)
    (put-text-property p (+ p (length text)) 'help-echo
                       'klaus-help-echo-fn)
    (insert "\n")))

(defun klaus-help-echo-fn (win obj pos)
  (message "Position: %d" pos))

(defun klaus-test ()
  (interactive)
  (klaus-insert-line "This is a test line")
  (klaus-insert-line "here is another one")
  (klaus-insert-line "Line Line Line")
  (klaus-insert-line "I think this is enough")
  (klaus-insert-line "last line"))

3. Call M-x klaus-test RET at the end of the scratch buffer. Then you will
have the following text inserted:

This is a test line
here is another one
Line Line Line
I think this is enough
last line


Now please begin to move the mouse over the newly inserted text, e.g. over the
'T' in the first line "This is a test line". OK, then in the minibuffer
"Position: 765" is displayed (or whatever position the 'T' has). Fine!

But now continue moving the mouse down slowly over the first chars in every
line, ie. you move from the 'T' to the 'h', stop, then over the 'L', stop, the
'I', stop and at least over the 'l' of the last line. If i understand the
help-echo stuff right, after every move the displayed position should be
change, because after every move another position is under the mouse pointer.

But what happens is: If you begin moving over the 'T' then a the position of
the 'T' is displayed, but this position is never changes after the following
moves, ie. the function 'klaus-help-echo-fn' is only called once!

Even more: After every move from a buffer-position which has *NO* help-echo
property to a position which *HAS* a help-property all is working fine (ie.
the correct position of the character under the mouse is displayed) but after
a move from a position which *has* *already* a help-echo property to a new
position which has a help-property too nothing happens, means the
help-echo-property function is *NOT* called.

==> Seems the help-echo function 'klaus-help-echo-fn' is only called if moving
the mouse from a "no-help-echo"-property to a position with a
help-echo-property but not if moving from one help-echo-property-position to
another one? is this a bug or a feature? ;-)

Another aspect: If i use a string instead a function for the help-property all
is working fine: Please change the function 'klaus-insert-line' as follows:

(defun klaus-insert-line (text)
  (let ((p (point)))
    (insert text)
    (put-text-property p (+ p (length text)) 'mouse-face 'highlight)
    (put-text-property p (+ p (length text)) 'help-echo
                       text)
    (insert "\n")))

Now the help-echo property has the text of the line as value instead of a
function. Now performing the same test as described above all is working fine,
i.e. regardless from where i move always the right text is displayed in the
minibuffer!

Sorry for this long text but i do not know how to describe my problem in a
shorter way...

Any thoughts of the Gurus?

BTW: If i remember right, the stuff with a function as value for the
help-property has already worked well, and i suppose this was with Emacs 21.1.
Now I'm using 21.2.! Is is possible that concerning help-echo something has
changed??  But unfortuntelly i can not say at 100% if my suspicion is right!

Many thanks in advance!  Klaus

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Here is a patch.

*** /tmp/elide-head.el  Sat Dec  7 01:08:35 2002
--- /tmp/elide-head.el2851wuw   Sat Dec  7 01:08:35 2002
***************
*** 80,90 ****
  
  This is suitable as an entry on `find-file-hooks' or appropriate mode hooks."
    (interactive "P")
-   (add-to-invisibility-spec '(elide-head . t))
    (if arg
!       (progn
!       (elide-head-show)
!       (remove-from-invisibility-spec '(elide-head . t)))
      (save-excursion
        (save-restriction
        (let ((rest elide-head-headers-to-hide)
--- 80,87 ----
  
  This is suitable as an entry on `find-file-hooks' or appropriate mode hooks."
    (interactive "P")
    (if arg
!       (elide-head-show)
      (save-excursion
        (save-restriction
        (let ((rest elide-head-headers-to-hide)
***************
*** 107,113 ****
            (if (overlayp elide-head-overlay)
                (move-overlay elide-head-overlay (point-marker) end)
              (setq elide-head-overlay (make-overlay (point-marker) end)))
!           (overlay-put elide-head-overlay 'invisible 'elide-head)
            (overlay-put elide-head-overlay 'intangible t)
            (overlay-put elide-head-overlay 'evaporate t)
            (overlay-put elide-head-overlay 'after-string "...")))))))
--- 104,110 ----
            (if (overlayp elide-head-overlay)
                (move-overlay elide-head-overlay (point-marker) end)
              (setq elide-head-overlay (make-overlay (point-marker) end)))
!           (overlay-put elide-head-overlay 'invisible t)
            (overlay-put elide-head-overlay 'intangible t)
            (overlay-put elide-head-overlay 'evaporate t)
            (overlay-put elide-head-overlay 'after-string "...")))))))

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Hi,

I gave up trying to use the emacs builtin sgml-mode long ago...

I read the article from the IBM guy about psgml-mode (I think it can
still be found at
http://www-106.ibm.com/developerworks/library/x-emacs/ ) and then there
was light... (downloaded the package from sourceforge.net). It's a bit
tricky to install/setup (need to create the SGML public catalog that
associates each XML document type with the right DTD) but when it's
done, it's really great for indentation, element syntax description,
DTD-constrained edition, etc. The only things I regret is the hiliting
in psgml seems to be a little poorer than with sgml-mode.

Now, I don't know about xml-lite, it may provide a good compromise of
complexity/features... Where can we get it ? (I'm using win32 emacs
21.1.1). Maybe more recent versions of Emacs have an improved version of
sgml-mode ?

"Oliver White" <oliver.white@invensys.com> a écrit dans le message de
news: b900e154.0211261841.62fac3e3@posting.google.com...
> "Stefan Monnier <foo@acm.com>"
<monnier+gnu.emacs.help/news/@flint.cs.yale.edu> wrote in message
news:<5lu1i4nzb9.fsf@rum.cs.yale.edu>...
>
> > The distributed version of sgml-mode does not support automatic
indentation.
> > The development one does, tho (it basically merged in the xml-lite
code
> > mentioned by Michael, with a few extra fixes/improvements (and new
bugs
> > as well, I'm sure)).  Get it from:
> >
> >
http://savannah.gnu.org/cgi-bin/viewcvs/emacs/emacs/lisp/textmodes/sgml-
mode.el?rev=HEAD
>
> It's not so much auto-indenting that I'm worried about, it's just that
> I simply cannot indent at all with the tab key, beyond the level of
> indentation of the tag I'm in.
>
> For instance, if I have this text:
>
> <schema>
>     <pattern name="foo">
>     </pattern>
> </schema>
>
> and I insert a new line within the pattern tags, I can't tab beyond
> that single level of indentation.
>
> Also... how would I install the el file you offered?
>
> Cheers,
>
> Oli White
> Software Engineer
> Westinghouse Signals Australia