Re: Software/HD ecology (was Re:...Bug in Emacs 21.3.50)

[Phillip Lord]

>>>>> "Ajanta" == Ajanta  <ajanta@no.spam> writes:

  Ajanta> Phillip Lord <p.lord@russet.org.uk> wrote:

  >> Well this is a different issue. Clutter for me is a problem in
  >> user space... In space managed my the machine (like for instance
  >> a make file installed emacs), I couldn't care less about
  >> duplication, or clutter. Computers don't get confused by clutter.

  Ajanta> However, since computers are there for users, there is bound
  Ajanta> to be some overlap. One might want to know just what
  Ajanta> commands are there in one's various bin's, what they do, who
  Ajanta> put them there and why. In tricky situations the only way to
  Ajanta> understand a program better may be to actuallly browse its
  Ajanta> directories and files, so clutter there would hurt.


Of course this is true. But there are some parts of my computer that I
look at, and some that I don't. The internals of an installed emacs, I
don't. Its much more important that the Makefile, or the autoconf
script, or what ever, is uncluttered than the final file system is. If
you have to put in a lot of stuff, removing the excess files, then you
are trading one for the other.

You win somethings, you loose others. 

Phil
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 Phillip Lord <p.lord@russet.org.uk> wrote:
>  Its much more important that the Makefile, or the autoconf
> script, or what ever, is uncluttered than the final file system is. If
> you have to put in a lot of stuff, removing the excess files, then you
> are trading one for the other.

Actually I don't understand this equivalence. Makefiles routinely come
with targets like "clean" which presumably deletes files like .log/.o
and of course "install".  If they could have a few extra targets, like
"superclean" or "EnglishOnly", that's a few extra lines. Why is that
comparable with the clutter of tens of MB and 100's of files scattered
around? If you can have "make install", why not "make uninstall" which
would merely remove all the installed files and links?

A
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On Wednesday 11 December 2002 14:52, Bingham, Jay wrote:

> In my .emacs I have:
> (setq-default fill-column 75)
> followed by:
> (add-hook 'text-mode-hook 'turn-on-auto-fill)
> 
> When I evaluated
> (add-hook 'latex-mode-hook (lambda () (setq fill-column 100)))
> in the scratch buffer then created a temporary buffer and switched to
> latex mode I had no problems the fill column was set to 100.
> You may be right about latex mode running text mode hooks.  If that is
> the case then I would recommend setting the default fill-column to the
> value you want for text-mode and adding hooks for the modes that you
> want to have a different value.

I've now got the following in .emacs:

(setq-default fill-column 70)
(add-hook 'text-mode-hook 'turn-on-auto-fill)
;(add-hook 'latex-mode-hook 'turn-on-auto-fill)
(add-hook 'html-mode-hook 'turn-off-auto-fill)
(add-hook 'latex-mode-hook (lambda() (set-fill-column 100)))
(add-hook 'mail-mode-hook (lambda() (set-fill-column 60)))

When I C-x C-f foo.txt and use C-h v to check fill-column, it says 75 (the 
built-in default, I think)!. When I C-x C-f foo.tex, it's still 75. When I 
C-x m, it changes to 60.

I think my Emacs must be behaving differently from yours! Is that possible?