Re: change in fill-paragraph

[ken]

On 04/22/2008 02:57 AM ken wrote:
> On 04/20/2008 01:32 PM B. T. Raven wrote:
> > ken wrote:
> > > On 04/19/2008 09:24 PM B. T. Raven wrote:
> > > > ken wrote:
> > > > > With the versions of emacs I've been using for years, 
> > > > > fill-paragraph won't fill/reformat include in its definition of a 
> > > > > paragraph any line which begins with a space.  However, the newer 
> > > > > emacs version I use at work will.  That is,
> > > > >
> > > > > (1) In the older versions, this will be
> > > > > one paragraph.  M-q will reformat it
> > > > > fine.  I like it this way.
> > > > >  (2) In the older versions, having just a
> > > > > single space at the beginning
> > > > > of a line tells paragraph-fill that this is
> > > > > a separate paragraph.  So this would be a
> > > > > separate paragraph.
> > > > >  (3) In the new emacs version, all of these
> > > > > would constitute one paragraph and so be
> > > > > filled together.  I would much prefer the older way
> > > > > fill-paragraph works... so that (1), (2), and (3)
> > > > > stay where they are.
> > > > >
> > > > > How would I restore the old behavior to the new version of emacs?
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks much.
> > > >
> > > > You can get this with
> > > >
> > > > "(paragraph-indent-text-mode)
> > > >
> > > > Major mode for editing text, with leading spaces starting a paragraph.
> > > > In this mode, you do not need blank lines between paragraphs
> > > > when the first line of the following paragraph starts with whitespace.
> > > > `paragraph-indent-minor-mode' provides a similar facility ..."
> > >
> > > Thanks for this, but I didn't want to change the entire mode, as the 
> > > behavior above by fill-paragraph happens also when I'm using 
> > > html-helper-mode, what I use for editing/creating html.  It may well 
> > > happen in other modes also, e.g., perl-mode, c-mode... not sure, 
> > > because I haven't tried a lot of other modes at work yet.
> > >
> > > In brief, I just want to change the behavior of fill-paragraph back 
> > > to what it was previously for all modes.  If 
> > > paragraph-indent-minor-mode will do this, what would I need to put in 
> > > ~/.emacs to invoke it for any file I might open and not have 
> > > "paragraph-indent-minor-mode" show up in the mode line?  (My mode 
> > > line already is already occupied with all it can accomodate.)
> >
> > I just typed M-x paragraph-indent-minor-mode in a text-mode buffer and 
> > it didn't change anything on the mode line. Then I did unfill 
> > paragraph on some indented and unindented random strings with no blank 
> > lines and they were treated as indented paragraphs. Then M-x text-mode 
> > turns off this minor mode.
> >
> > > Again, thanks for your help.
> >
> > I don't have any experience with these modes; they are new to me too 
> > and I just looked them up in the docs. I am happy with a blank line as 
> > paragraph separator and I don't see any need for the old conventions 
> > for paragraph-start and paragraph-separate. Maybe tweaking these two 
> > variables would give you what you want. Why do you want it anyway, may 
> > I ask? If it's for publication, you would want to run the file through 
> > a page layout program (TeX, Auctex) which will lose the blank lines, 
> > indent new paragraphs, and a whole lot more.
>
> Thanks.  Those two variables may provide the answer.  I checked the 
> values in the older version and they are different.  Perhaps just 
> copying those into the new version will fix things.  Hopefully I won't 
> have to play too much with the regexps.  There isn't a lot of time for 
> that on the job.
>
> ....

And it worked... that is, putting in the values from my older version of 
emacs.  Now there's another change to roll back....

When I'm typing a line and get to the far right and the text wraps to 
the next line, the new version inserts a space into the first column on 
that next line.


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