Re: keyboard-translate working for Control but not for Alt

[B. T. Raven]

Elena and Xah:

A conservative approach to Emacs ergonomics with a Dvorak keyboard on 
w32  is to pull the keycaps, including the bottom row and use Keytweak 
to reassign the mod keys:

super alt ctl spacebar ctl alt super hyper

this along with something like the following added to .emacs allows for 
minimum secondguessing of the Emacs key-binding philosophy as it has 
evolved over the last 20 years:

;; Single char cursor movement on Dvorak layout
(global-set-key [(meta h)] 'backward-char)
(global-set-key [(meta n)] 'forward-char)
(global-set-key [(meta c)] 'previous-line)
(global-set-key [(meta t)] 'next-line)
(global-set-key [(meta H)] 'mark-paragraph)
(global-set-key [(meta N)] 'next-buffer)
(global-set-key [(meta C)] 'capitalize-word)
(global-set-key [(meta T)] 'transpose-words)

;;substitute for stolen metakeychords ad libitum
(global-set-key [(control n)] 'next-line-mark)
(global-set-key [(control p)] 'center-paragraph)
(global-set-key [(control b)] 'beginning-of-line-mark)
(global-set-key [(control f)] 'find-function-at-point)
(global-set-key [(shift control f)] 'find-variable-at-point)

If all mod keys could be placed for easy access from the home keys and 
if there were some way to make the simultaneous pressing of 3 mod keys 
sticky (i.e allowing further mod keys to be stacked on top of them) then 
one could touch type things like shift control alt super hyper meta a



Xah Lee wrote:
> additional info i just found out ....
>
> this method
> (global-set-key (kbd "C-t") ctl-x-map)
>
> turns out to have other problems as well, when cua-mode is on.
>
> with cua-mode on, and when you have a text selection, you need to
> press C-x twice quickly to invoke the traditional C-x role. (at least
> as one of the method, anyway) So, that means you press C-t twice
> quickly.
>
> One example i'll need to do this many times per day is “C-t r
> t” (string-rectangle) and “C-t r k” for kill-rectangle, where you do
> need a selection on first.
>
> With
>  (keyboard-translate ?\C-t ?\C-x)
> i used in the past, i didn't encounter problem.
>
> i started to use cua-mode since last year, not because i need it, but
> more for testing compatibilty with my ergoemacs setup.
>
> So, with cua-mode on, and with
> (global-set-key (kbd "C-t") ctl-x-map),
> now “C-t r t” no longer works... it seems to be calling transpose-
> lines...
>
> in short, all these extra personalized fixes creates a lot
> complications. If emacs dev made cua mode's intended purpose by
> default, which as a side effect most of these complications will be
> gone, as compared to indivdualistic customization that tried to
> achieves the same thing. This is because when emacs has something out
> of the box, the implementation is more throughly examed at some lower
> level, i.e. creating much more robustness than individual hacks. If
> emacs dev decided that Ctrl + XCV should be the shortcut for emacs,
> the proper solution is probably not even using cua-mode, since itself
> is a quite complex hack.
>
>   Xah
> ∑ http://xahlee.org/
>
> ☄
>
> On Aug 5, 3:37 pm, Xah Lee <xah...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Hi Elena,
> >
> > ; Make C-t acts like C-x, so that C-x is easier to type on dvorak
> > ; (keyboard-translate ?\C-t ?\C-x)
> > ; but this means  ALL your C-t keys becomes C-x.
> > ; So, for example, in outline-mode, C-c C-t runs hide-body.
> > ; But now, when you type that, you get C-c C-x instead.
> > ; A better solution is:
> > ; (global-set-key (kbd "C-t") ctl-x-map)
> >
> > i've been using
> > (keyboard-translate ?\C-t ?\C-x)
> >
> > for the past ~5 years or so. In pratice, i never noticed any problem,
> > prob because C-t hardly used as embedded combo in a key sequence, or,
> > when it is used, such commands are often advanced features or not
> > commonly needed.
> >
> > in fact, the example C-c C-t in outline-mode i only noticed yesterday,
> > as i was browsing emacs 23's News file which is in outline-mode. Other
> > than this, i've not used outline-mode.
> >
> > I switched to
> >
> > (global-set-key (kbd "C-t") ctl-x-map)
> >
> > yesterday, and noticed that it has problems too.
> > I often do “C-x r l” to get my bookmark list.
> > So, this means i've been pressing “C-t r l” in the past ~5 years.
> > But if you are in dired, that no longer works with the new setup. “C-t
> > r” invokes image-dired-delete-tag.
> >
> >   Xah
> > ∑http://xahlee.org/
> >
> > ☄