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Re: TROLL is a HATE terminology


From: Fren Zeee
Subject: Re: TROLL is a HATE terminology
Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2010 11:10:51 -0800

When the person tries to revert the thread back, they call him or her a troll.

On Tue, Dec 14, 2010 at 11:07 AM, Fren Zeee <frenzeee@gmail.com> wrote:
> It is well known that there are various subversive organizations and
> agencies whose full time paid agents are on the internet and they are
> quite malicious as a result of their organizational structuring if not
> by personal intent.
>
> They are operating to stop the normal human exchange, say trade and
> sharing of knowledge.
>
> The way they operate is by diverting discussion on thread into flames and so 
> on.
>
> Why the person tries to revert the thread back, they call him or her a troll.
>
> They invented the terminology of troll.
>
> Now this behavior has been propagated into the general public and for
> a professor to use it made me pause and reflect on the whole matter
> ...
>
> ... and advance my thesis.
>
> On Tue, Dec 14, 2010 at 11:03 AM, Fren Zeee <frenzeee@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Tue, Dec 14, 2010 at 3:48 AM, Stephen J. Turnbull <stephen@xemacs.org> 
>> wrote:
>>> The emacs-devel and help-gnu-emacs lists have my deepest apologies.  I
>>> did not expect my private message, offering sincere advice, to receive
>>> such an obnoxious reply on any public list, let alone one I don't
>>> participate in.
>>>
>>> Sincerely yours,
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Stephen, If you inspect my first reply to your email, which I realized
>> a little later was private, it was an error, and I wanted to add to
>> the help mailing lists, but then decided to send it anyways,
>>
>> It is not personally against you at all.
>>
>> It is mainly against the terminology of "troll" ... evidence being
>> that I forked off a thread under a different title.
>>
>> It is well known that there are various subversive organizations and
>> agencies whose full time paid agents are on the internet and they are
>> quite malicious as a result of their organizational structuring if not
>> by personal intent.
>>
>> They are operating to stop the normal human exchange, say trade and
>> sharing of knowledge.
>>
>> It is a fact that I had _high regard_ for you, and hope to have so in
>> the future.
>>
>> Thats why your post (later i realized ... a private email) made me
>> think and it was a eureka moment to realize what troll stood for and I
>> expressed it clearly. Other authors above have said that they could
>> not understand this vague term whose true meaning is only known by its
>> context of usage. I thank them for their contribution and testimonial.
>>
>> Because it has no dictionary meaning, it continued to be used
>> effectively by dark forces to denigrade people. My post should help
>> label it as what it really is.
>>
>> You probably unconsciously picked it up ... where I gave the benefit of 
>> doubt.
>>
>> I dont think my post paints you in any poor light ... just that
>> members of human extended family can sometimes have a little
>> miscommunication.
>>
>> However, I extend my apologies also to anyone who might have been hurt
>> by any strong word of mine.
>>
>> Now, as far as "helpful" suggestion is concerned, here is an example
>> of rather business-like but a helpful post  ... the criteria being
>> advancing the original topic of that thread. I am sure many others
>> would benefit by the answer. In person, in all my academic classes, I
>> know that many people have thanked me for asking questions on their
>> behalf ... and won respect of most of my professors. Now, as we get
>> older, our capacity to learn new subjects can deteriorate a little.
>>
>> ====
>> Chad Brown
>>  to me, Emacs
>>
>> show details Dec 7 (7 days ago)
>>
>> On Dec 7, 2010, at 1:24 PM, Fren Zeee wrote:
>>
>>> The question is VERY CLEAR !!! and SPECIFIC at the LAST STAGE !!!
>>
>> Even with the CAPITAL LETTERS and the TRIPLE EXCLAMATION
>> POINTS!!!, I still have no idea what you're trying to accomplish.
>>
>> Perhaps you would be helped by evaluating both of these in emacs:
>>
>>       (pp (list 1 2))
>>       (pp (cons 1 2))
>>
>> or perhaps:
>>
>>       (pp (list (list 1 2) (list 3 4)))
>>       (pp (list (cons 1 2) (cons 3 4) (cons 5 6)))
>>
>> I say `perhaps', because I don't really know what you're trying to
>> accomplish.
>>
>> I hope that helps,
>> *Chad
>>
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