Re: c/c++ project management and debugging

[Rajinder Yadav]

On Tue, Dec 21, 2010 at 9:52 AM, Richard Riley <rileyrg@googlemail.com> wrote:
> Rajinder Yadav <devguy.ca@gmail.com> writes:
>
>> On Tue, Dec 21, 2010 at 8:10 AM, Elena <egarrulo@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On Dec 21, 12:00 pm, Rajinder Yadav <devguy...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> i've never had the need to create a makefile or edit one by hand when i
>>>> code using visualstudio, all i care about is coding my project in C++
>>>> and getting on with life.
>>>
>>> You don't know what a professional IDE is then, and why Emacs isn't up
>>> to the task.
>>
>> yes i do, you missed my point
>>
>>> If you are doing professional C++ development, then you are tweaking
>>> your project settings all the time.  The VC++ Project Settings dialog
>>> is just a wrapper on top of a "Makefile" kind-of generator.  What VC++
>>> does that Emacs doesn't is setting default values which work unless
>>> you have special requirements.  That's why you felt that all you had
>>> to care about was coding your project in C++.  Development in Emacs
>>> does not give such luxury.
>>>
>>>> i love ruby on rails hacking, i love doing everything from the command
>>>> line, it's more faster and efficient coding a rails app when compared to
>>>> doing it with netbeans + ide, or whatever IDE is out there!
>>>
>>> Obviously, for hobbyists, an IDE is overkill.
>>
>> you're saying ruby on rails is for hobbyists? btw, ide is not an
>> overkill, it's just you don't need an ide because rails comes with
>> tools like rake and generators that frankly is faster doing thing at
>> the command line with a simple text editor and terminal, reason i
>> choose emacs to code ruby on rails stuff, i started off with IDE like
>> netbeans but it just didn't feel right (for me, for others it's the
>> right choice)
>
> Then the IDEs you have used have not been configured IDEs. Its almost
> never quicker anymore at the command line in a properly configured
> IDE. A lot of people claim it is : invariably those who have not used a
> modern IDE. Those things you do at the command line can be hot keyed in
> an IDE too. As for "not needing" - do you know what an IDE is? I
> actually use emacs as one - weaknesses not withstanding - so I kind of
> disagree with Elena about that. Development is a lot more than "coding
> in a text editor". Lets see what the IDE brings (and most of what Emacs
> can do already and marked appropriately in brackets below):-

in the case of rails coding, you can easily get by with the command line

i can type,

rails g model post name:string ...

faster than I can click on a menu, open a dialog, then click on each
field and type in stuff, click on the ok(generate) button to generate
a model + boiler-code.

pretty much most of the rails development in done this way. it follows
conventions over configuration (you're not editing makefiles, etc),
suffice to say you don't need an IDE for rails coding and anyone will
be faster with the command + basic editor than with a IDE setup for
rails.

for C/C++ stuff, it's a different story, I would like the aid of an
IDE for project management, project dependencies, code browsing,
debugging and building executable or libraries.

> Dependency management (poor since I cant get cedet working and dont want
> to learn another "project" framework such as EDE)
> Context help for all parts of project development. (poor/non existent).
> Standardised UI (excellent)
> Error code navigation and cross referencing (not bad in Emacs when
> compiling in emacs)
> Bug tracking (Hmm I use org-mode)
> Task prioritisation (org-mode)
> Code navigation (awful. Tags are not up to the task for the most part).
> Code refactoring (none afaik)
> Version management (excellent with Magit).

excellent points, magit is cool, but i still use git from the command line =)

> Emacs is almost there I think. And with what it brings elsewhere I dont
> feel I need an IDE - except for Java. Emacs java support is awful from
> what I can see.
>

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