Re: c/c++ project management and debugging

[Elena]

On Dec 22, 8:28 am, Elena <egarr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Dec 21, 9:51 pm, "Pascal J. Bourguignon" <p...@informatimago.com>
> wrote:
>
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> > Richard Riley <rile...@googlemail.com> writes:
> > > Then the IDEs you have used have not been configured IDEs. Its almost
> > > never quicker anymore at the command line in a properly configured
> > > IDE. A lot of people claim it is : invariably those who have not used a
> > > modern IDE. Those things you do at the command line can be hot keyed in
> > > an IDE too. As for "not needing" - do you know what an IDE is? I
> > > actually use emacs as one - weaknesses not withstanding - so I kind of
> > > disagree with Elena about that. Development is a lot more than "coding
> > > in a text editor". Lets see what the IDE brings (and most of what Emacs
> > > can do already and marked appropriately in brackets below):-
>
> > > Dependency management (poor since I cant get cedet working and dont want
> > > to learn another "project" framework such as EDE)
> > > Context help for all parts of project development. (poor/non existent).
> > > Standardised UI (excellent)
> > > Error code navigation and cross referencing (not bad in Emacs when
> > > compiling in emacs)
> > > Bug tracking (Hmm I use org-mode)
> > > Task prioritisation (org-mode)
> > > Code navigation (awful. Tags are not up to the task for the most part).
> > > Code refactoring (none afaik)
> > > Version management (excellent with Magit).
>
> > > Emacs is almost there I think. And with what it brings elsewhere I dont
> > > feel I need an IDE - except for Java. Emacs java support is awful from
> > > what I can see.
>
> > You forgot that the I in IDE doesn't only mean "Integrated" but also
> > "Integrating".  Almost all the IDE fail lamentably on this point, while
> > you can easily Integrate any tool in emacs.
>
> > --
> > __Pascal Bourguignon__                    http://www.informatimago.com/
> > A bad day in () is better than a good day in {}.
>
> I don't think so.  IDEs allow for integration of other tools.  As a
> matter of fact, I've integrated Emacs in my IDE: one hot-key raises
> Emacs at the same line and column of the buffer I'm editing.  You
> really can't do better than that, because Emacs doesn't allow to
> integrate itself in other tools.
>
> What I think IDEs fail at lamentably is providing their facilities
> *outside* their environment, but then I think that Emacs doesn't fare
> much better.

Moreover, when your heavily customized Emacs start to "misbehave" what
can you do?  Start "emacs -Q" and begin evaluating sexps.  Oh, what an
advanced debugging aid!  Come on, Pascal, IDEs have something to teach.