Re: What's your favourite *under_publicized* editing feature ofEmacs?

[Cthun]

On 01/03/2011 12:39 PM, Jim Janney wrote:
> k'Chu <cthun_117@qmail.net.au>

What does your classic unsubstantiated and erroneous claim have to do 
with Lisp, Janney?

> > On 28/02/2011 11:32 PM, Jim Janney wrote:
> > > And you get less for it.
> >
> > What does your classic unsubstantiated and erroneous claim have to do
> > with Lisp, Janney? And it remains true that using SVN to "develop" a
> > novel is like using a hammer to insert a screw, Janney.
>
> Since good news cannot be too often repeated, I will recap

What does your recap have to do with Lisp, Janney?

> You don't need to set up your router/firewall to hide the server

What does your classic unsubstantiated and erroneous claim have to do 
with Lisp, Janney? Not hiding an open port from the Internet is an open 
invitation to hackers, Janney.

> (you don't need a server)

What does your classic unsubstantiated and erroneous claim have to do 
with Lisp, Janney? How can you connect to the version repository to 
check files in and out if you aren't running the repo's server, Janney?

> You don't have to set up the loopback interface port for the server to
> use

What does your classic unsubstantiated and erroneous claim have to do 
with Lisp, Janney? The version control client (used to check files in 
and out of the repo) needs a port to connect to, Janney.

> (you don't need a server).

What does your classic unsubstantiated and erroneous claim have to do 
with Lisp, Janney? How can you connect to the version repository to 
check files in and out if you aren't running the repo's server, Janney?

> You don't have to point the client at the server

What does your classic unsubstantiated and erroneous claim have to do 
with Lisp, Janney? The version control client (used to check files in 
and out of the repo) needs to know where to connect to, Janney.

> (you don't need a server).

What does your classic unsubstantiated and erroneous claim have to do 
with Lisp, Janney? How can you connect to the version repository to 
check files in and out if you aren't running the repo's server, Janney?

> You don't have to put any numbers on a command line

What does your classic unsubstantiated and erroneous claim have to do 
with Lisp, Janney? Version control clients are generally shell commands, 
Janney, e.g. cvs and svn. IDEs like Eclipse and NetBeans may provide 
graphical front ends to common version control systems, Janney, but such 
IDEs are only applicable if you're using the version control system for 
its intended purpose of software development, Janney.

> (Emacs handles that for you in the few cases it's required).

How ironic. Emacs has a steeper learning curve than any of the other 
software that's been discussed here, Janney; consequently, using emacs 
cannot possibly make any of these tasks easier.

> You don't have to do any of that with RCS.

What does your classic unsubstantiated and erroneous claim have to do 
with Lisp, Janney?

> You don't have to do any of that with CVS.

What does your classic unsubstantiated and erroneous claim have to do 
with Lisp, Janney?

> You don't have to do any of that with Subversion.

What does your classic unsubstantiated and erroneous claim have to do 
with Lisp, Janney?

> You don't have to do any of that with git.

What does your classic unsubstantiated and erroneous claim have to do 
with Lisp, Janney?

> You don't have to do any of that with Mercurial.

What does your classic unsubstantiated and erroneous claim have to do 
with Lisp, Janney?

> You can do these things if you want to, but none of them are required.

What does your classic unsubstantiated and erroneous claim have to do 
with Lisp, Janney?

> With RCS, all you have to do is type
>
>     ci filename

So much for your claims regarding it not being a command-line tool, Janney.

> In any case, it's a poor tool that can only be used as its designer
> intended.

That a well-designed screwdriver might, in a pinch, be slammed into a 
nail to drive it in does not make it preferable to a hammer for that 
purpose, Janney.

> And an even poorer mind that can only imagine one use for something
> as versatile as version control.

What does your classic erroneous presupposition have to do with Lisp, 
Janney? I can imagine it just fine -- I just don't like the results I 
see when I imagine it. Diffs that are gobbledygook when you try to check 
the history of your .doc files. Awkward work at 80s-retro command line 
interfaces. The hellish experience of struggling with emacs's 
idiosyncrasies trying to get it to do anything useful. Of such things 
are my nightmares composed, Janney -- I who can face the likes of 
Cthulhu with equanimity.