On Wed, Oct 5, 2011 at 10:05 AM, Le Wang
<l26wang@gmail.com> wrote:
On Wed, Oct 5, 2011 at 11:46 AM, Rustom Mody <
rustompmody@gmail.com> wrote:
> The most customizable editor and arguments and fights about an easily
> settable default?
> Ironic...
they have to now add a "emacscality" setting to their init file, and
therefore Free software will lose and "M$", "MS", "Word", "Apple"
will win!
No No not my intention! Ive too much invested into emacs to see it go down the tube.
The striking thing to me about this whole "debate" - and I stress the
quotes - is that there is a distinct class of Emacs users, who having
climbed the steep learning curve to "master" Emacs are very interested
in keeping the barrier to entry high. Presumably, they do this to
keep themselves feeling special that they've acquired the Emacs skill.
Please Le Lets not return flames with flames.
They don't even bother to craft arguments for their position on UI
design basis; of which there are few, including Alan Mackenzie's in
the link you posted. All they do is try to appeal to our love of Free
software by trotting out strawmen like "Word", "MS" (or more absurdly
"M$"), and "Apple".
This is a user interface issue.
Yes, rms question was a UI question. Many of the responses suggested that although the details of this question dont bother them much there are larger questions at stake of which this is a secondary/tertiary 'corollary'. Would it not be better to deal with those?
Why can't we just present arguments
as such? I've layed out a specific use-case where this change will
surely help new users. Yes, NEW USERS. They should be the focus.
Not people who already know how to customize their Emacs.
Yes and no
Yes: We should focus on new users
No: for the 'only'
Lets remember that emacs started out as being unbelievably inclusive
[I remember 20 years ago when an emacs guru showed me that he could make emacs into wordstar]
So lets start by trying to include free and commercial OSes, old and noob users and back of from this position only when it is seen to be too utopian