Re: cua mode when?

[Xah Lee]

On Dec 16, 10:18 am, Ted Zlatanov <t...@lifelogs.com> wrote:
> On Fri, 16 Dec 2011 12:11:40 -0500 Dan Espen <des...@verizon.net> wrote:
>
> DE> Ted Zlatanov <t...@lifelogs.com> writes:
>
> >> We're talking about dedicated Cut/Copy/Paste/Undo.  Not extra remappable
> >> keys and special keys/buttons in general.  I have been using the
> >> Logitech G15 for 5 years so I'm aware of gaming keyboards, but that's
> >> not the topic.
>
> DE> Wow.
>
> DE> I think Xah is close enough to the topic.
> DE> We´re talking dedicated keys.  Sun also had an ¨OPEN¨ key.
> DE> I used it to iconify/de-iconify.  Imagine one key to get a window
> DE> out of the way, regardless of the program.
>
> You and Xah are changing the topic substantially, from "why aren't there
> cut/copy/paste/undo keys on keyboards" which you asked, to discussing
> dedicated keys that the user remaps to whatever they want.  From a
> usability standpoint those are completely different things even though
> they seem similar.  Hence my comment.
>
> DE> Keyboard vendors should be looking at common function and coming
> DE> up with keys to invoke those common functions.
>
> They are, clearly (e.g. volume control).
>
> Ted

On Dec 16, 10:18 am, Ted Zlatanov <t...@lifelogs.com> wrote:
> On Fri, 16 Dec 2011 12:11:40 -0500 Dan Espen <des...@verizon.net> wrote:
>
> DE> Ted Zlatanov <t...@lifelogs.com> writes:
>
> >> We're talking about dedicated Cut/Copy/Paste/Undo.  Not extra remappable
> >> keys and special keys/buttons in general.  I have been using the
> >> Logitech G15 for 5 years so I'm aware of gaming keyboards, but that's
> >> not the topic.
>
> DE> Wow.
>
> DE> I think Xah is close enough to the topic.
> DE> We´re talking dedicated keys.  Sun also had an ¨OPEN¨ key.
> DE> I used it to iconify/de-iconify.  Imagine one key to get a window
> DE> out of the way, regardless of the program.
>
> You and Xah are changing the topic substantially, from "why aren't there
> cut/copy/paste/undo keys on keyboards" which you asked, to discussing
> dedicated keys that the user remaps to whatever they want.  From a
> usability standpoint those are completely different things even though
> they seem similar.  Hence my comment.
>
> DE> Keyboard vendors should be looking at common function and coming
> DE> up with keys to invoke those common functions.
>
> They are, clearly (e.g. volume control).
>
> Ted

lol. Now me and Dan Espen are the culprit for changing topic! Bad!
Baaad boys!

LOLY!

let's trace back.

1. Xah wonders when copy/paste will come to emacs as CXVZ keys.

2. Dan Espen mentions that dedicated keys for copy/paste is a good
thing.

3. Ted Zlatanov latched on and counters that single keys are actually
not useful, especially for Undo ⁉ (let's give credit to Ted for this
fascinating thought‼)

4. Espen questions the wisdom of Ted! (Oh noooo!)

5. Ted claims that keyboard market don't give a shit about dedicated
keys!

4. Xah counters. Mentioning gaming keyboards.

6. Ted says he's been using gaming keyboard all the while, and the
topic is about dedicated keys for copy/cut, not about extra function
keys. Extra keys are off topic!

7. Espen notes that extra keys isn't off topic. For example, Sun
keyboard has extra keys for copy/cut, but also for Open.

8. Ted pronounces that Xah and Espen are trolls!

 Xah