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Re: Need help for oh-my-emacs.
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xiaohanyu1988 |
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Re: Need help for oh-my-emacs. |
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Tue, 15 Oct 2013 18:57:52 -0700 (PDT) |
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On Wednesday, October 16, 2013 5:14:29 AM UTC+8, Emanuel Berg wrote:
> Xiao Hanyu <xiaohanyu1988@gmail.com> writes:
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> > Recently, I'm doing a project
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> > https://github.com/xiaohanyu/oh-my-emacs, which aims
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> > to be a
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> > oh-my-zsh(https://github.com/robbyrussell/oh-my-zsh)
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> > for Emacs world.
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> I don't get any of this, what did you do?!
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> A tool to share/synchronize configuration?
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> Isn't there the EmacsWiki for that?
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> People just need to share their Elisp, that's the bottom
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> line. But people don't like that. That's cheating, they
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> think. The proper way is to share references to the
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> documentation. Ha ha ha! It is funny because it is
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> true. Or "sad", I should say.
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To tell the truth, I think some code snippets from emacswiki or blogs or google
is not portable and newbie-friendly. Various elisp code from the web conflicts
with each other.
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> Sorry, can you just describe the project, more in terms
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> of your idea, its goal, etc., and perhaps share some
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> screenshots, rather than in terms of the scope of the
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> project, etc.?
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Hi, I've already write lots of docs about what this project is and its goal,
please try to read its readme file:
https://github.com/xiaohanyu/oh-my-emacs/blob/master/README.org .
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> > 1. A literate way to keep code and documentation
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> > synced, thus get rid of outdated elisp code snippets
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> > from google or emacs blogs. 2. Use el-get to manager
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> > packages, no need to manage load-path and info doc
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> > 3. Self adapted, only install necessary packages when
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> > it satisfies the prerequisites.
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> OK, so it is a *package manager*, like aptitude or
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> apt-get for Debian and the like? Is that really better
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> than to just share Elisp?
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Definitely sure, a package manager is much more better than sharing code in
emacswiki or some other places. Here's some references:
https://github.com/xiaohanyu/oh-my-emacs/blob/master/ome.org#package-management
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> > 4. better default settings, lots of eye candy.
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> Well... people have different taste. I like Emacs to
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> look like a CRT, others like it to look like a book from
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> some French fashion publisher... Perhaps we should leave
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> that to each, as we will never reach a conclusion, and
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> if we try, there will only be bad blood. (This is about
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> Emacs. Maybe you referred you your tool? Is that a
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> standalone tool or some Emacs mode by the way?)
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I know that, so I just provide modules, you can make your own choices.
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> > 3. develop new modules for languages that I have no
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> > idea of, such as erlang/haskell.
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> I did work in both of those languages and there are
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> Emacs modes for them. Why would you want new modules?
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Emacs already has lots of builtin mode, so why there comes lots of third-party
packages such as js2-mode, elpy, SLIME, nrepl? Since the builtin mode is not
powerful, we need third party packages.
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> > When things goes well, I'll try to make an official
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> > emacs distribution for out-of-box use, see
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> > https://github.com/xiaohanyu/oh-my-emacs/issues/16.
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> OK, I hate to be a jerk, but
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> 1. What problems did you experience with the
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> "distribution" of Emacs that you used, prior to
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> undertaking this project?
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> and
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> 2. What made you think that the solution was in a *new*
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> distribution, rather than solving the problem *where you
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> found it*?
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Nobody want to work with plain emacs. oh-my-emacs just provide a basic point.
Just like no body want to work with plain linux kernel, so there comes
Ubuntu/Gentoo/Archlinux etc.
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> > The current oh-my-emacs contains 1. about 900 lines of
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> > emacs lisp code 2. about 3500 lines of documentation.
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> > 3. about 50 powerful el-get packages.
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> In three months, you seemed to have worked very, very
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> hard on this project. I hope (no irony) you have good
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> answers to my questions, but even if you don't, no one
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> can take away your work habits and dedication.
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> PS. Again, *screenshots* would clarify a lot! DS.
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Some screenshots: http://www.douban.com/photos/album/117065634/.
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> --
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> Emanuel Berg, programmer-for-rent. CV, projects, etc at uXu
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