Re: macros and macroexpand

[Philip Kaludercic]

Heime <heimeborgia@protonmail.com> writes:

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> On Tuesday, August 8th, 2023 at 2:22 AM, Philip Kaludercic 
> <philipk@posteo.net> wrote:
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>> Heime heimeborgia@protonmail.com writes:
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>> > On Monday, August 7th, 2023 at 11:46 PM, Yuri Khan yuri.v.khan@gmail.com 
>> > wrote:
>> > 
>> > > On Mon, 7 Aug 2023 at 18:04, Heime heimeborgia@protonmail.com wrote:
>> > > 
>> > > > I have made a macro and know that they are supposed to return
>> > > > expanded code for use. Still I cannot understand the need to
>> > > > call "macroexpand". Should't the macro already perform the
>> > > > expansion ?
>> > > 
>> > > You should be posting small examples of code that you’re trying,
>> > > otherwise, there is high chance people will either misunderstand you
>> > > or just disregard your questions as ill-posed.
>> > > 
>> > > ----
>> > > 
>> > > When you define a macro, you indeed write the definition similarly to
>> > > a function that returns expanded code.
>> > > 
>> > > (defmacro foo (&rest body)
>> > > `(bar ,@body)) When you evaluate a form that references a macro,
>> > > Elisp will (1) expand the macro, and (2) evaluate the result of
>> > > the expansion: (foo 'quux) ⇒ Debugger entered--Lisp error:
>> > > (void-function bar) On the other hand, calling ‘macroexpand’ on
>> > > a data representation of that form will just return the
>> > > expansion result: (macroexpand '(foo 'quux)) ⇒ (bar 'quux) In
>> > > this example, I did not bother to define ‘bar’, so Elisp assumes
>> > > it would be a function and complains at evaluation time. But I
>> > > could further define ‘bar’ as a macro: (defmacro bar (&rest
>> > > body)` (baz ,@body))
>> > > 
>> > > In this case, evaluating the original form shows that Elisp expanded
>> > > both macros ‘foo’ and ‘bar’, and then tried to call the undefined
>> > > function ‘baz’:
>> > > 
>> > > (foo 'quux)
>> > > ⇒ Debugger entered--Lisp error: (void-function baz)
>> > > 
>> > > Meanwhile, ‘macroexpand’ still just expands a single level of macros:
>> > > 
>> > > (macroexpand '(foo 'quux))
>> > > ⇒ (bar 'quux)
>> > > 
>> > > and you can invoke it repeatedly until you get to the fixed point:
>> > > 
>> > > (macroexpand (macroexpand '(foo 'quux)))
>> > > ⇒ (baz 'quux)
>> > > 
>> > > (macroexpand (macroexpand (macroexpand '(foo 'quux))))
>> > > ⇒ (baz 'quux)
>> > 
>> > Then macroexpand is useful for diagnostics to expand at one level only
>> > at a time. Thusly, if I just want to get the expanded code produced by
>> > a macro, I can just do pp-to-string upon the object made by a macro.
>> > 
>> > (defmacro adder (mopi mopj)
>> > `(+ ,(cl-second mopi) ,(cl-third mopj)))
>> > 
>> > (princ (pp-to-string '(adder (* 3 5) (* 5 7)) ))
>> 
>> ^
>> don't do this
>> 
>> If you quote an expression, it won't be evaluated or macro-expanded any
>> further. You can sort-of think of a macro like a kind of inline
>> function call. The evaluation would go along these lines:
>> 
>> (princ (pp-to-string (adder (* 3 5) (* 5 7))))
>> 
>> will be transformed into this at macro-expansion time, and evaluation
>> would do this:
>> 
>> (princ (pp-to-string (+ (cl-second '(* 3 5)) (cl-third '(* 5 7)))))
>> (princ (pp-to-string (+ 3 7)))
>> (princ (pp-to-string 10))
>> (princ "10\n")
>> "10\n"
>
> What I want to do is print the code made by adder of its final expansion code.
> Rather than the last evaluation of 10, I want to print (+ 3 7).  
>
> Can my print command be modified in such a way that the message shows (+ 3 7) 
> ?
> IT seems that I would need to use macroexpand-all, to get to the final 
> unevaluated
> sexp. 

You can modify your macro, to return a quoted expression.

(defmacro adder (mopi mopj)
 `'(+ ,(cl-second mopi) ,(cl-third mopj)))
  ^
  note this

This is synonymous with

(defmacro adder (mopi mopj)
  (list 'quote (list '+ (cl-second mopi) (cl-third mopj))))

which makes sense, if you keep in mind that the result of evaluating the
macro is what replaces the macro expression in the syntax tree.

>> > I would not do
>> > 
>> > (princ (pp-to-string (macroexpand '(adder (* 3 5) (* 5 7))) ))