Final notice (Re: Is Sather dead?)

[Norbert Nemec]

OK, this was clear. So from now on, the Sather project should be considered 
completely orphaned.

To Keith: I wish you all the best! Thanks for all that you've done for the 
project. Thanks for all the cooperation we had back in the ol' days. Even 
though we had our quarrels, I'm sure I gained a lot from it!

Now: Anybody willing to stand up and revive the project may stand up at any 
time. There is nobody I know of, who might still be actively developing 
Sather. Anybody interested: just declare to take leadership and give it a 
try! I'm sure, there's a large number of people to be won for the project 
easily, as soon as someone takes over leadership for the project in real open 
development style! You have a vision for Sather as a whole? Of course, the 
project will only prosper if it is done in democratic teamwork, but still: if 
you are willing to put time into this, the position of the one person with 
the most influence is open to be filled in.

There is nobody to decide about this position but you yourself - and in case 
there are more than one applicant: I'm sure you can find a solution for that 
yourself, too!

I'm still ready to give some advice where needed, but initiative will have to 
come from you alone! The sources are there, the documentation is ready for 
download. Nothing is sorted out too well, but anybody seriously interested 
will find everything he needs on the net.

Sather is a great project, but obviously it will go into hibernation now, 
until, maybe, someone revives it some day in the future.

Good night, Sather!

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On Sunday, 14. April 2002 00:26, you wrote:
> In article <address@hidden>,
>
>    Lars Hupfeldt Nielsen <address@hidden> wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > I believe that work continues at University of Waikato
> > (http://www.cs.waikato.ac.nz/sather/). The current release 1.3 compiler
> > is really too slow for any real work. I have no idea how work is
> > currently progressing at Waikato. A lot of people think that Sather is
> > one of the best languages designed so far, so lets hope that it has a
> > future.
> >
> > Regards
> > Lars Hupfeldt.
>
>      Contrary to the above, work has had to stop here as we no longer have
> man-hours to put into it.  I too am very disappointed - but that's how life
> goes sometimes.  I don't honestly see anything more being done here in any
> serious way unless a miracle happens.  I have been advised to cut my own
> work drastically on medical grounds - one of the reasons why I put together
> the tar balls which were so kindly put onto the GNU CVS site savannah.
>
>      I still think it is the best thing since sliced bread.  Now that a lot
> of the terrible uncertainty about "which way to go" for text/strings has
> settled, the 'slowing down' complained of can probably be recouped by
> redesigning/re-building all of the string stuff and a modest portion of the
> cultural stuff in the Required Library to use UTF-8 (and UTF-16) making all
> other encodings in this form.  It is not a trivial exercise - but does need
> to be done.
>
>      If this is my swan song in the Sather world - so be it.  I hope that
> my health improves and lets me do some more some time!
>
>                         Keith Hopper

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