Re: [Liberty-eiffel] IDE proposal for Windows

[Raphael Mack]

Hi,

Notepad++ seems a good choice with a small footprint and I'm sure that  
it is better than some of the IDEs that come with embedded C comilers  
;-)

I think three topic are interesting:
1. startig the compiler from the editor
2. navigation to a feature definition
3. autocompletion/show what features are available, when a object is selected.

On the other side: even if it only comes with syntax hightlighting it  
is good. Here you could add the keywords. To see the "standard" you  
can look at the ECMA documents. There they use the colors Meyer  
defines as standard, but I see no need to take this too important.  
Maybe you can look at the emacs eiffel-mode in the Liberty repository.

Best regards, and thanks for all your efforts!

Rapha



Zitat von Hans Zwakenberg  |  Ocean Consulting GmbH <address@hidden>:

> Hi group,
>
> with Notepad++ I found an excellent Windows-based code editor  
> (almost an IDE),
> one that is much leaner than Eclipse and the like.  It is rather  
> easy to allow
> for eye-candy like syntax colouring, etc.  If there exists some  
> Eiffel standard
> for colouring, fonts, etc, I'd be happy to adapt that.
> Also, a plug-in system allows any user to add functionality.  One of these
> plug-ins I found is called 'SourceCoockifier', which understands the Eifel
> syntax as well and can present a treeview of the content of a class.  
>  Of course
> this is only useful with larger classes.
> Currently I'm looking into what it would take to create a plugin  
> that initiates
> a project's compilation sequence and somehow opens a window/control that
> displays the compiler's feedback...
>
> It's just a proposal I'm looking into it, but at least it looks rather simple
> and hence maintainable.
>
> Please see the attached screenshot...
>
> cheers
> Hans
>
>
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> > Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2014 19:32:06 +0200 (CEST)
> > From: Hans Zwakenberg | Ocean Consulting GmbH
> > <address@hidden>
> > To: address@hidden
> > Subject: [Liberty-eiffel] Random thoughts about a Windows distribution
> > Message-ID:
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> >
> > Hi group,
> >
> > as I'm slowly working towards creating a working Windows distribution, some
> > random thoughts cropped up, that I'd like to discuss:
> >
> > - Windows programmers generally aren't too keen about languages without any
> > native GUI support, unless the language is meant for web- or
> > script-programming
> > - Windows programmers generally sort of expect that a compiler comes with an
> > IDE
> > that shortens edit/compile/test-cycles
> >
> > It's moot to start a discussion about whether such Win-progger  
> > sentiments are
> > justified or not, it's just the dynamics of the Windows scene as I  
> > got to know
> > it.
> >
> > Since the team is very small, perhaps we should think about the availability
> > of
> > either of the above in a cross-platform way:
> > - are any of the x-platform GUI's wrapped to Eiffel already? (Perhaps
> > wxWidgets
> > or some other good library?)
> > - is there any x-platform editor (perhaps Java-based?) that can be used to
> > attached scripts to configurable buttons? ("comppile", "make", or whatever,
> > etc...)
> >
> > Any suggestion about the above is very welcome indeed! Also any other idea
> > about easing a newbie's entry into Eiffel - and how to reach him is  
> > welcome. I
> > suppose that last question is about marketing communications really, but you
> > get
> > my drift...
> >
> > cheers
> > Hans
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> > Message: 2
> > Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2014 13:24:43 -0600
> > From: Germ?n Arias <address@hidden>
> > To: Hans Zwakenberg | Ocean Consulting GmbH <address@hidden>
> > Cc: address@hidden
> > Subject: Re: [Liberty-eiffel] Random thoughts about a Windows
> > distribution
> > Message-ID: <address@hidden>
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> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > On 2014-08-20 11:32:06 -0600 Hans Zwakenberg | Ocean Consulting GmbH
> > <address@hidden> wrote:
> >
> > > Hi group,
> > >
> > > as I'm slowly working towards creating a working Windows  
> > distribution, some
> > > random thoughts cropped up, that I'd like to discuss:
> > >
> > > - Windows programmers generally aren't too keen about languages  
> > without any
> > > native GUI support, unless the language is meant for web- or
> > > script-programming
> > > - Windows programmers generally sort of expect that a compiler  
> > comes with an
> > > IDE
> > > that shortens edit/compile/test-cycles
> > >
> > > It's moot to start a discussion about whether such Win-progger sentiments
> > > are
> > > justified or not, it's just the dynamics of the Windows scene as I got to
> > > know
> > > it.
> > >
> > > Since the team is very small, perhaps we should think about the  
> > availability
> > > of
> > > either of the above in a cross-platform way:
> > > - are any of the x-platform GUI's wrapped to Eiffel already? (Perhaps
> > > wxWidgets
> > > or some other good library?)
> >
> > I was looking this too. There is:
> >
> > http://fox-toolkit.org/
> >
> > Seem still in development. It have a wrapper for Eiffel here:
> >
> > http://eiffelfox.sourceforge.net/
> >
> > But this is unmaintained. No idea if this could be hard to update.
> >
> > > - is there any x-platform editor (perhaps Java-based?) that can be used to
> > > attached scripts to configurable buttons? ("comppile", "make", or  
> > whatever,
> > > etc...)
> >
> > This could be done easily with Emacs. I can help with this.
> >
> > Germ?n.
> >
> > >
> > > Any suggestion about the above is very welcome indeed! Also any other idea
> > > about easing a newbie's entry into Eiffel - and how to reach him  
> > is welcome.
> > > I
> > > suppose that last question is about marketing communications  
> > really, but you
> > > get
> > > my drift...
> > >
> > > cheers
> > > Hans
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 3
> > Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2014 08:57:38 +0200
> > From: Cyril ADRIAN <address@hidden>
> > To: Germ?n Arias <address@hidden>
> > Cc: Hans Zwakenberg | Ocean Consulting GmbH <address@hidden>,
> > Eiffel <address@hidden>
> > Subject: Re: [Liberty-eiffel] Random thoughts about a Windows
> > distribution
> > Message-ID:
> > <address@hidden>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > 2014-08-20 21:24 GMT+02:00 Germ?n Arias <address@hidden>:
> >
> > > > - is there any x-platform editor (perhaps Java-based?) that can be used
> > > to
> > > > attached scripts to configurable buttons? ("comppile", "make", or
> > > whatever,
> > > > etc...)
> > >
> > > This could be done easily with Emacs. I can help with this.
> >
> >
> > There is already Emacs support in Liberty Eiffel. Any help with expanding
> > it would be really welcome.
> >
> > Cheers
> >
> > Cyril
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> > Message: 4
> > Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2014 08:59:29 +0200
> > From: Cyril ADRIAN <address@hidden>
> > To: "Hans Zwakenberg | Ocean Consulting GmbH" <address@hidden>
> > Cc: Eiffel <address@hidden>
> > Subject: Re: [Liberty-eiffel] Random thoughts about a Windows
> > distribution
> > Message-ID:
> > <address@hidden>
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> >
> > 2014-08-20 19:32 GMT+02:00 Hans Zwakenberg | Ocean Consulting GmbH <
> > address@hidden>:
> >
> > > - is there any x-platform editor (perhaps Java-based?) that can be used to
> > > attached scripts to configurable buttons? ("comppile", "make", or
> > > whatever, etc...)
> >
> >
> > eclipse?
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