Re: [libreplanet-discuss] SaaSS

[Alexander Berntsen]

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On 24/10/15 21:44, Mike Gerwitz wrote:
> So you have still given up your control.  You can only do the type
>  of computing that others say you can do, and if you try to say, "I
>  have an idea; let's do it this way!", then unless everyone else 
> agrees with your changes, then you are told that you can't compute
>  like that---it's not allowed.  If you get rid of that distributed
>  nature, then we're back to where we are today: pretty much the 
> same place, but less dystopian.
This is how democracy in general works; i.e. tyranny of the majority. I
can write my own programming language and insist on using it, but I
can't force anyone else to use it. I can make my own document format and
insist on using it, but I can't force anyone else to use it. I can fork
a free software SaaSS, change it, distribute the changes, but I can't
force anyone else to use it. I don't see the problem.

Have I given up control of my email client since I can't modify it while
it runs? Have I given up control of my LaTeX papers, because I can't
force everyone else to use LaTeX?

> You're talking about tricking hackers/programmers/users who read 
> the code.
No. I am talking about using a sophisticated type system to eliminate
ill-doing.

> Even if all software were written in a system like Coq, and all of 
> it were formally proven to operate exactly as it was designed, the 
> above issues would still stand.
If by "issues" you mean that if I choose to use SaaSS e.g. to
collaborate with others on a document, I can't suddenly rewrite the
running instance of the software, and force everyone else to use my
version, then I agree. I, however, don't see that as a problem. (In
this specific instance the solution is obviously to fork the software
and run your own instance that communicates with the others via an API.)
- -- 
Alexander
alexander@plaimi.net
https://secure.plaimi.net/~alexander
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